Organians vs the prophets

[Voth commando1]

so between the lesser gods of the trekverse who would prevail? The ever inscrutable prophets vs the pastoralist humanoids who imposed peace by making all ships and weaponry too hot to handle literally while floating into pure energy just to show those annoying mortals their inferiority.

The prophets can they fight outside their wormhole without possessing people? Will the organians ignore the challenge?

My money is the organians whipping some prophet ass and laughing at sobbing bajorans in the process

 

[at Quark's]

I think the more interesting challenge would be to come up with a credible pretext for how these guys wind up getting into a fight in the first place, given how both these races are portrayed

 

[2takesfrakes]

In TOS, Organians talk the talk in that they find violence to be most distasteful. And yet ... they'll fiddle about with people's lives in ENTERPRISE, just for shits and giggles. So, I am beginning to wonder about that.

 

[Kevman7987]

In TOS, Organians talk the talk in that they find violence to be most distasteful. And yet ... they'll fiddle about with people's lives in ENTERPRISE, just for shits and giggles. So, I am beginning to wonder about that.

Sometimes there is no in-universe answer. Sometimes it's poor, half-assed writing on a marginalized, continuity error-laden show on a failing, forgotten network.



While the Organians and Prophets fight, is Q there eating snacks and yelling at the entertainment?

 

[Voth commando1]

Not all immortals are the same though heee. Heee heee-anyway for pretext Q pits them together in an environment where both of their strengths are at max-to the death.

 

[Kemaiku]

In TOS, Organians talk the talk in that they find violence to be most distasteful. And yet ... they'll fiddle about with people's lives in ENTERPRISE, just for shits and giggles. So, I am beginning to wonder about that.

In Enterprise, they had been "watching" other species in various situations for 10,000 years in order to fulfill their version of the prime directive. If a species showed enough objective analytical thought to be deemed worthy, they made first contact. They never directly interfered with any of them, they just refused to help in they were in danger.

Only the most xenophobia or rather apathetic Organians bothered to volunteer for obversation, they cared very little for organic beings and thought none of them were worth contacting. Until more progressive Organians started joining the obervsations, and challenged the standing orders.

In Enterprise, some of them were hoping that that would mean making first contact more, or helping lesser races. But it looks like the conservative elements of their society decided that it meant retreating from the galactic stage altogether. By TOS, they had half assed a corporeal form to have limited contact with space faring races for the ones that wanted to bother.

I'll bet there are a lot of Organians that never even took that form and moved off elsewhere, leaving the ones we see behind.

 

[Voth commando1]

In Enterprise, they had been "watching" other species in various situations for 10,000 years in order to fulfill their version of the prime directive. If a species showed enough objective analytical thought to be deemed worthy, they made first contact. They never directly interfered with any of them, they just refused to help in they were in danger.

Only the most xenophobia or rather apathetic Organians bothered to volunteer for obversation, they cared very little for organic beings and thought none of them were worth contacting. Until more progressive Organians started joining the obervsations, and challenged the standing orders.

In Enterprise, some of them were hoping that that would mean making first contact more, or helping lesser races. But it looks like the conservative elements of their society decided that it meant retreating from the galactic stage altogether. By TOS, they had half assed a corporeal form to have limited contact with space faring races for the ones that wanted to bother.

I'll bet there are a lot of Organians that never even took that form and moved off elsewhere, leaving the ones we see behind.

Yeah that was a point in Enterprise favor, not all immortal arrogant God brings are the same!

Anyway who would win?

 

[Spot261]

Whichever side the episode's heroes chose

 

[Voth commando1]

Whichever side the episode's heroes chose

You mean mere mortals? How precisely?

 

[Spot261]

Much the way they always do, by whatever means the plot presents them with.

Q civil war anyone?

 

[Voth commando1]

Much the way they always do, by whatever means the plot presents them with.

Q civil war anyone?

John de Lancie in a rebel uniform was fun though, but it was pretty silly I'll admit.

But assuming no mere mortals(Starfleet officers) intervene who wins.

 

[Spot261]

Not a clue, as we've never really seen where their relative powers and limitations lie, nor how their own unique interpretations on the physics of trek might interact. My guess would be that the prophets have one distinct davantage in being non linear.

 

[Voth commando1]

Not a clue, as we've never really seen where their relative powers and limitations lie, nor how their own unique interpretations on the physics of trek might interact. My guess would be that the prophets have one distinct davantage in being non linear.

The prophets can also be killed though

 

[Spot261]

Do we know the organians cant?

All I remember is a line to the effect that none had died in thousands of years, which suggests long lived rather than immortal.

 

[Vandervecken]

so between the lesser gods of the trekverse who would prevail? The ever inscrutable prophets vs the pastoralist humanoids who imposed peace by making all ships and weaponry too hot to handle literally while floating into pure energy just to show those annoying mortals their inferiority.

The prophets can they fight outside their wormhole without possessing people? Will the organians ignore the challenge?

My money is the organians whipping some prophet ass and laughing at sobbing bajorans in the process

I agree. We haven't seen the Prophets show a whole lot of power outside the wormhole. I'm going to take that to mean they don't have it, at least nothing comparable to what the Organians can bring to bear.

 

[Tenacity]

is Q there eating snacks and yelling at the entertainment?

The Prophets place Q in a Planck length time loop, then completely forget about him.

 

[Nerys Myk]

pastoralist humanoids

They stopped being humanoids a long time ago. They are non corporeal.

Whichever side the episode's heroes chose

You mean mere mortals? How precisely?

By the power of the true Gods: the writers.

 

[Vandervecken]

The Prophets place Q in a Planck lenght time loop, then completely forget about him.

Q is aware of the loop--if humans can have feelings about time loops (Cause and Effect) and El Aurians can sense a "wrong" timeline (Yesterday's Enterprise), then I don't doubt the Q would just know, and just change the length to whatever is needed for him to get out, just as he could change the gravitational constant of the universe, something I tend to doubt the Prophets could do.

 

[Voth commando1]

They stopped being humanoids a long time ago. They are non corporeal.



By the power of the true Gods: the writers.

The portrayed themselves as such though to Kirk and the Klingons so for dramatic effect that's what I said.

Ah the writers-well yes anyway but let's assume the fourth wall is being broken