Spoilers Suicide Squad - Grading & Discussion
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I could post evidence if you like. It's all the same. "DC is doomed", Suicide Squad is racist", "Suicide Squad is sexist", "Suicide Squad is the Donald Trump of super hero movies (BvS was also the Donald Trump of movies), SS is a flop - WSJ, "Don't bother watching Suicide Squad", etc. Go see Ghostbusters though. That was the film the media got behind and try to spin away it's underperformance. It's amusing looking back at how SS and GB were treated.Your post was good up until this point.
You shouldn't go with either. Have your own opinion.
Agreed.Your post was good up until this point.
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Then I'd have to see every movie that comes out, and that is not possible. So, no, I can't just go with my own opinion. Everyone has to rely on someone else, especially since most trailers are formulaic and misleading.
Movies I've seen in 2016 that were better than Suicide Squad:
- Zootopia
- Finding Dory
- Deadpool
- Don't Breathe
- Star Trek Beyond
- Sausage Party
I believe I said before that even BvS was better, because at least that film was trying to say something (for its first half, anyway). Suicide Squad is a paper-thin bonanza of cheap CGI nonsense without a brain in its head. I'd say it's a video game but I actually like video games.
I just have to ask: Do you have a problem with other people liking this movie?
Because, of course, you're entitled not to like it, and you're entitled to express that opinion. But you didn't just express your opinion, you replied to someone who said they liked it. And it's not a matter of fact, but of taste, so it's not like "You are wrong" is a viable reply.
It's also not like you haven't made your opinion known before, you have done so repeatedly.
There's really not any new information in your post even about your opinion. On the other hand, there's new information in @Snick27 's post, since he says he likes the movie a lot even after repeated viewings.
Now, you posting your opinion, even repeatedly, is okay. But you replied to a specific post, as if you made a counter-argument, in a matter that was, as I said, of taste and not of fact. That does make me wonder what your motivation was here. Are you somehow pissed that other people like a movie, even after repeated viewings, that you didn't like at all? If not (entirely possible), what was your motivation there?
Nope.
Are the only acceptable responses to "I liked this movie" people saying "I did, too"?
And the post I was replying to was different, how?
"Movies I consider better than Suicide Squad" is more concrete information than @Snick27's post provided. Suppose someone was reading this thread and didn't like Suicide Squad and wondered what movies might be better. My post would be an absolute blessing to such a person.
It's interesting how positive posts about Suicide Squad never elicit this sort of response. You may want to consider why.
Okay.
No, but then, @Snick27 's post didn't need a reply at all. One might ask him about his opinion, but to reply to "I like this movie" with a list of movies (you think) are better just came across as essentially telling him that his opinion was wrong.
@Snick27 gave an opinion without the guise of a counter-argument.
Do you often visit threads to movies you don't like in the hope of finding recommendations on movies which someone else likes better? Without any further information, mind you. And with movies that only have the year of release in common. Like, how is "Zootopia" an alternative to "Suicide Squad"? They're entirely different movies of entirely different genres with an entirely different target audience.Well, maybe because most positive posts simply giving a general opinion don't reply to one specific post of someone with a different opinion. If you had made that same post, but didn't reply to @Snick27 specifically, I would have had no problem accepting it. You don't like the movie, fair enough. What bugged me is that you apparently told another user that their opinion was wrong, when there was no wrong.
Thing is, now you made me think about your post (which I wouldn't have had you not replied ...), and what I think is: How much do you have to dislike a movie to repeat that you don't like it after over two months. Do you have a grudge or something?
Opinions can only be wrong as a question of fact. It's not possible for "I liked this movie" to be wrong unless the person saying it is lying. I've also said multiple times that people who like the movie are not wrong to do so.
Is your beef just that I quoted their post, then?
I come to movie threads for movies I like as well as movies I don't in order to watch discussions and sometimes participate. And yes, sometimes I actually have gotten decent recommendations from threads about movies and TV shows and so forth that I didn't like. It happens. In any case, I don't consider my post a great service to humanity any more than @Snick27's was. Just stating opinions, is all.
I would say it's unwise to project motives or interpretations on people based on what you think they said, rather than what was actually said. Believe me, if I wanted to say "your opinion is wrong" I'd be explicit about it.
How many times do people have to repeat that they like it? Why is there a double-standard about this?
I don't have a grudge, though it's evident some people in this thread do, rattling on about "media smears" and some kind of conspiracy to slag what is apparently an excellent film! Frankly, it seems to have been people in this thread who liked the movie who can't seem to tolerate others not liking it.
Maybe you need to rely on someone else to decide what movies to see but many of us don't. If I went by critics or people on this board I would have skipped BvS and Suicide Squad and paid to see Sausage Party or Ghostbusters . Thank goodness I have a mind of my own.
Everyone relies on someone else, be it friends, fans, critics, or the people who make ads. Unless you're claiming you see every single movie that comes out.
It's funny. I came across a movie review of "LAWRENCE OF ARABIA" that had been published in the New York Times when the movie first came out in 1962. The film critic literally trashed it. And I find it ironic, considering that the movie went on to win Best Picture of 1962.
I guess it's all a matter of taste in the end. And yet, it seems as if certain people are unwilling to accept this.
I guess it's all a matter of taste in the end. And yet, it seems as if certain people are unwilling to accept this.
I think the problem with Suicide Squad is that it's a stylishly presented collection of colorful misfits with interesting backstories desperately waiting for a decent story to come along and it never does. Deadshot, Harley Quinn, & the Joker are all a lot of fun to watch but then Rick Flagg or Amanda Waller or the Enchantress walks in and just sucks all the air out of the film.
You said you needed other people's opinion because you don't trust trailers. I was responding to that point. If you're now going to broaden your statement to include the people who make the trailers then yeah, we all rely on someone.
But most of us dont need friends or critics to decide whether or not to go watch a movie at a theater. I keep my movie going experience very limited due to the ridiculously high costs. So it has to be a "big" movie that grabs me to go see it in a theater. If the trailer doesn't grab me then I wait for it to come on netflix or prime
So instead of relying on professional critics or friends with common interests, you decide which movies to see based on the size of their marketing budgets? Yes, your way is truly superior.
Most of us? Most people don't see movies based on word of mouth from friends? That's news to me. Pretty big claim you're making here.
To be clear, I was not talking about critic reviews, but the articles about the film that castigated for imagined slights. If you do a quick google search you can find numerous articles claiming Suicide Squad was racist, sexist, misogynistic, promotes domestic violence against women (a charge also lobbed at X-Men Apocalypse), that the film has no legs, that the film is a flop, comparisons to Donald Trump (for being bigoted) etc. Can you think of any other film in recent memory that was tarred and feathered unjustly? This goes beyond just not liking something. This is deliberate distortion of the facts of what actually happens in the film and it's performance, to push an agenda. Because damn straight, if SS was the box office bomb that many in the media were projecting, you can bet they would be over the moon about it failing and their own contributions to it failing.
When you have articles on the WSJ, Salon, The Guardian, Polygon, Vox, The Wrap, Variety and others all chiming on things like this, you do have to wonder if there is more going on here.
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