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Red Dwarf XI

Probably easier than explaining him completely changing once and having several major changes over the years.
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It's not just his change, it was never explained why or how he came to be on the Red Dwarf. We meet him as a servent robot on a ship with dead crew. Lister talks him into defying his programming and doing what he wants. Cut to the end of the episode and he's riding off into space to who knows where (I think a spce motorcycle).

Then suddenly some episodes later he's a member of the crew with no explination.

Did he get ripped to pieces or blown to pieces once (I don't mean just his heads) and had to be re-assembled? That could account one time for a change.



I appreciate the return of the skutters, but I miss Holly. Holly was such an important part, helping navigate the ship and keep things running.
 
There is an explanation though. In the first episode of series 3 they have a Star Wars style scroll which explains all the changes since the end of series two. Yes, it moves extremely fast and can only be viewed by using slow motion. Here's the part that talks about Kryten:

Shortly afterwards, Kryten, the service mechanoid who had left the ship after being rescued from his own crashed vessel, the Nova 5, is found in pieces after his space bike crash lands onto an asteroid. Lister rebuilds the 'noid, but is unable to recapture his former personality.
 
Oh, I forgot about the scrool. I've never even read it 'cause it passes by so fast. All I remember is he kick-ass Goodall scoring to it.

Well, then that explains one of Bob The Skutter examples of major changes to Kryton.
 
I can understand the personality difference, but going from a upper crust British accent to a Canadian one???

It still really doesn't explain Kryten looking different, as he still had spare heads at that point.
 
I can understand the personality difference, but going from a upper crust British accent to a Canadian one???

It still really doesn't explain Kryten looking different, as he still had spare heads at that point.

It's not like the show was ever meant to be analyzed as a completely serious and credible reality. It's a comedy. There are tons of things in the series that don't make any logical sense, like all the times Rimmer walked completely through a solid object even though he theoretically had a solid light bee inside his projection, or like how Starbug suddenly became huge on the inside during Series VII. The transition between Series VIII and Back to Earth only makes sense in the context of the deleted ending of Series VIII (which I thought was much better than the aired ending).
 
"The video you are trying to watch cannot be viewed from your current country or location."

Is it legal to "fix" that anyhow?
 
Or a hologram aging...

That's easy enough to explain. It could be programmed into a hologram to appear to age.

However, Red Dwarf is first and foremost a comedy and works best when it's not prodded too hard. (If you're wondering how he eats and breaths, and other science facts. Just repeat to yourself it's just a show, I should really just relax. Oh wait, wrong show.)

Red Dwarf's had so many inconsistencies over the years. Lister's two appendixes, What year did the radiation leak aboard Red Dwarf take place, Rimmer's last words being 'Gazpacho Soup' and 'Mummy'. I used to spend ages trying to come up with explanations but in the end I realised it was affecting my enjoyment of the show.

And if you take the books into consideration then that's another whole world of problems.

Oh and by the way, Twentica is awesome!
 
It's not like the show was ever meant to be analyzed as a completely serious and credible reality. It's a comedy. There are tons of things in the series that don't make any logical sense, like all the times Rimmer walked completely through a solid object even though he theoretically had a solid light bee inside his projection, or like how Starbug suddenly became huge on the inside during Series VII. The transition between Series VIII and Back to Earth only makes sense in the context of the deleted ending of Series VIII (which I thought was much better than the aired ending).

I really wasn't being that serious.

Didn't they explain Starbug getting bigger (and missing curry supplies) due to the Out Of Time/Tikka To Ride paradox?

They didn't even bring up the idea of the light bee until S3E6 Meltdown, and then it ended up in Lister's digestive tract.

The Series VIII alternate endings wouldn't have explained the ship going back to the smaller configuration, would they?
 
The Series VIII alternate endings wouldn't have explained the ship going back to the smaller configuration, would they?

I dunno about that, but it explains how they got to the status quo in BTE, with the gang alone aboard the Dwarf once again. I also happen to think it's a better, funnier ending than that incoherent mess with the Grim Reaper.
 
Didn't they explain Starbug getting bigger (and missing curry supplies) due to the Out Of Time/Tikka To Ride paradox?

Yes they did.

'Out of Time' sets a precedent for Rimmer ageing as well. I remember reading that there was an explanation cut from 'Back to Earth', that he failed to realise that holograms require regular maintenance to prevent the appearance of ageing as the image degrades over time (in other words, "holograms simply do age over time; go with it").

Red Dwarf's had so many inconsistencies over the years. Lister's two appendixes, What year did the radiation leak aboard Red Dwarf take place, Rimmer's last words being 'Gazpacho Soup' and 'Mummy'. I used to spend ages trying to come up with explanations but in the end I realised it was affecting my enjoyment of the show.

Not to mention Rimmer losing his virginity to Sandra from Cadet School in the back of his brother's Bentley, despite only ever having slept with Yvonne McGruder, once; the original crew compliment of Red Dwarf rising by a thousand; Kryten being both a 2X4B and a 2X4C model; Lister and Kochanski having dated for three weeks before she dumped him for Tim the chef, despite her previously being an unrequited love admired from afar; the time drive suddenly becoming capable of travelling through space, and the crew being restored to life by the paradox of being killed by their future selves, and the very same episode ending with the exact same paradox involving JFK but with a completely different consequence (in that he stays dead); and many, many more.

Oh and by the way, Twentica is awesome!

That it is. Very clever. It started as a parody of ST: First Contact 20 years late, but I loved the self-referential gag about hackneyed old clichés, and particularly enjoyed Cat's "Pram Theory?!" line. Lucy Pohl as Harmony was wonderful. Great stuff.
 
I wish BBC America had a fraction of the interest in this as Doctor Who. It kind of stinks, I've got hundreds of channels and yet I can't think of anyone else who would show this. Maybe Netflix or Amazon some day but I don't think they even have the old series.
 
I wish BBC America had a fraction of the interest in this as Doctor Who. It kind of stinks, I've got hundreds of channels and yet I can't think of anyone else who would show this. Maybe Netflix or Amazon some day but I don't think they even have the old series.

It used to be on Hulu, but it looks like they lost the rights.
 
Twentica Thoughts!

Really odd episode title considering it was actually set in the '50's (and as there was no reason for it not to be set in the '20's--they'd already worked out it wasn't "Historical" prohibition--the time period seemed random as well).



Great fun. Very much in the Red Dwarf VI vein (even down to being almost entirely Red Dwarf-less), but as that's the run I have the most nostalgia for it was like putting on a pair of comfy slippers.

There were a few recycled gags--most notably the "Rimmer isn't that bothered at least one of them is going to die until it turns out he will be killed as well" bit from Demons and Angels. Though it was more cheeky to reuse the "They think they've met a famous historical figure but it just turns out to be some bloke" thing they only did last season--and there was nothing Earth shattering but it rattled along and did have some great lines you know would have been endlessly repeated in the playground back in the day ("Kryten's more fried than a Mars Bar in Scotland!" "DON'T TOUCH MY STRING!").

And that's all the more impressive considering the basic concept of a Prohibition spoof was a bit random and weird. It almost felt like they had a load of 1920's costumes laying around Pinewood and wrote the script around them.

I think the difference between this and X is I can't imagine anyone getting something out of the last run if they weren't already a well disposed fan (though if you were, it was good cup of tea TV). This feels like something someone who'd never heard of Red Dwarf could be plonked in front of and that's nice.

I especially liked the science gags, a lot of Red Dwarf (especially the more recent stuff) is fairly direct, even lowest common denominator stuff at its worst. Even has gags that took a bit of thinking and didn't hammer them home ("He has a theory about it" "A pram theory?"), great stuff.

The main odd thing--considering the synopsis put out beforehand made it sound like it was the plot--the episode did nothing with the idea Kryten and Rimmer were outlawed on this world.

Actually, they didn't put history right in the end did they? They overthrew Kevin Eldon's regime but all that still happened...

And they presumably now have two (at least, I can't remember what happened to the one they used to meet Jesus in X) working time and space machines aboard Red Dwarf now...

This really was the first time the age of the cast felt noticeable though, at first I thought it was strange they felt so much older than in Back to Earth just six episodes previously, but that was seven years ago!

Lister actually works really well as an older man (again, impressive. He could have been either just dull as a mature sensible character or annoying if he still acted like a mid-twenties slob, there's a balance here). And though Danny John-Jules was looking very haggard in the face the Cat actually made for a cool old guy. Though I'm not sure if him doing his tap dancing from an angle you couldn't see his feet was poor direction or making an allowance for being older. Rimmer of course was always old before his time, and thankfully the wig wasn't as distracting as it looked in the promo picss (though they might be better off letting him have his real greyer and balding hair considering he's otherwise visibly older to the point trying to hide it with a hairpiece feels like it draws more attention to it).

Kryten though... looked terrible. I get it's the reality of being 60 they can't make the costume as tight fitting as it once was (and Llewellyn does not look anywhere near as chunky in real life), but he looked so overweight and uncomfortable in the outfit I genuinely wound up feeling worried for Bob's health. It was a pretty stark reminder that, whilst the others could in theory play their characters indefinitely, there is a shelf life on being in that Kryten costume before it gets too much even with concessions and it feels very close to that here. Especially as if they do any more after the two seasons they filmed in one go he'll be at least another couple of years older.


And thank **** the really half hearted "Quest for Kochanski" crap from X seems to have been quietly forgotten.
 
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