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The Domestic Box Office run is ending, International is kicking in.

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I believe the $31 million opening in China is part of the $285 million total....but still...this is good enough with the final markets on the horizon. Even $15 million from China next weekend (it should make a small amount during the week) easily pushes it over $300 million. We are slowly approaching break even territory....
 
[QUOTE="Internationally, Star Trek Beyond debuted in China on Friday and hauled in an estimated $31.3 million over the three-day. By comparison, 2013's Star Trek Into Darkness debuted on a Tuesday and brought in just $25.8 million in its first week of release.[/QUOTE]
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RAMA brought this to my attention on another thread. Earlier on, I was disappointed because I thought that Beyond was only 107% above STID at the same point in time (for the three day weekend). Actually, I was mistaken and won't be able to guess at Beyonds haul in China until we get the one first weeks total, then we can make an estimate as we will know the percentage difference. Maybe $400 mill is still on the cards?
 
The story I'm seeing so far is:

Domestic Box Office - Disappointing
International Box Office - On course for $200m +

I don't see the film having much trouble hitting its break-even point of around $350-360 million, based on the estimated figures for China, which go as high as $110m.
 
The rule of thumb is 2x it's budget to reach the break-even point. For Beyond that would be 370 mio., which it won't reach (hell, I would be pleasantly surprised if it comes near 350 mio. at this point).
But that rule is for movies that make the majority of their budget domestic. Overseas the actual profit shares for the companies are actually smaller.

We can safely assume Beyond will not break even during it's theatrical run. Which is a dissapointment. But it's probably going to bring in a small profit in the long run, with DVD/Blu-ray sales and television rights. So neither a bomb, nor a success. In terms of it's budget multiplier a bit less successfull than Insurrection, a movie that was successfull enough to grant a sequel. Beyond is far away from being a bomb like Nemesis, but It's also equally far away from being an overwhelming success like Trek09 was.
 
So far the movie is on track to do what I spoke of in the OP.

$285 includes China and Brazil. The overall international cumes are based on the most current numbers. The individual country breakdowns are based on the date next to it and are not necessarily updated throughout the run.

There is no way this movie breaks even at $300 million global. This is pure fantasy. The home video market is a shell of its former self. You would have to assume DVD and Blue-Ray sales equivalent to Star Trek 09 for that to be true. STB will be lucky to earn half of STID's home video sales, let alone ST09. And STID also had a significant drop in HV sales from the 2009 reboot.
 
The rule of thumb is 2x it's budget to reach the break-even point. For Beyond that would be 370 mio., which it won't reach (hell, I would be pleasantly surprised if it comes near 350 mio. at this point).
But that rule is for movies that make the majority of their budget domestic. Overseas the actual profit shares for the companies are actually smaller.

We can safely assume Beyond will not break even during it's theatrical run. Which is a dissapointment. But it's probably going to bring in a small profit in the long run, with DVD/Blu-ray sales and television rights. So neither a bomb, nor a success. In terms of it's budget multiplier a bit less successfull than Insurrection, a movie that was successfull enough to grant a sequel. Beyond is far away from being a bomb like Nemesis, but It's also equally far away from being an overwhelming success like Trek09 was.

I agree. It will likely end up in the mid 300s. Neither a clear success nor an obvious failure but will instead fall into that grey area in between. And because of Paramount's pathetic overall performance as a studio it should be enough to greenlight a sequel.
 
DOMESTIC

I've been following the revenue since the movie's release on July 22nd and last week was the first week where I saw attendance drops (percentage of patrons compared to the previous day or week) that were actually pretty good. I was hesitant at first when the monday drop was low to get too excited but then the Tuesday bumped up pretty good (discount Tuesdays) and the rest of the week remained strong (low drops). We are now through our 4th weekend so the domestic run is more or less finished. Based on the current numbers, I'd say that $157 million is a lock. If the holds stay as good as they were last week then we are looking closer to or maybe even pushing past $160 million. Unfortunately, it's a case of too little, too late to have any major effect on the final box office numbers but it does suggest some things.

1) Paramount picked a terrible release date.

Star Trek Beyond was destined to fall from Star Trek Into Darkness, most people had accepted that. However the amount it dropped was truly disappointing. I think this movie would have been a $185-200 million earner if not for its release date. STB had to deal with two harsh weekend drops on its 2nd and 3rd weekends. In the second weekend it faced the release of Jason Bourne, not a record setting blockbuster demolishing everything in its path but a strong summer tentpole with the EXACT same audience demographic that Star Trek has (older males). In its 3rd weekend STB (and Jason Bourne) found itself up against the type of blockbuster I previously mentioned in Suicide Squad. Both STB and JB have followed almost the exact same perfomance at the theaters for the first 10 days (almost mirror images). However, since JB only dealt with huge competition on its 2nd weekend it will likely end up going from around $5 million behind STB in its first 10 days of release to finishing $5-10 million ahead when all is said and done. You can argue that Universal didn't do Jason Bourne any favors by moving it in front of Suicide Squad but it is still better than Paramounts idiotic date selection.

For those who don't know. Star Trek Beyond was originally scheduled to be released on July 8th with Jason Bourne originally scheduled on July 15th but moved to July 29th. So at the time Star Trek was only competing against one movie with a similar audience (The Legend of Tarzan) in its second week, a same weekend release in The Secret Life of Pets which is an animated film and its second weekend would be up against Ghostbusters - a summer tentpole but one that was an entirely different genre (Special effects comedy) and targeted a much larger female audience. If Star Trek had remained in its original slot it would have had a more favorible slate to compete against. And one can argue that putting Star Trek in the summer in itself wasn't all that well thought out since summers are more favorable for movies that draw in a larger young audience that is out of school during that time. I do think that if STB had kept its original date that it would be much closer to a $200 million performer instead of a $160 million performer. At the very least it wouldn't have endured getting it's legs cut out from under it on two consecutive weekends which would have increased its overall multiplier.

2) Marketing was subpar.

Anyone who things Paramount did a good job of marketing this movie must watch a lot of Sony films . . . because that's about the only studio I can think of that makes Paramounts marketing department look top notch (Hey, wasn't Ghostbusters Sony?). The overall haphazard approach, the reliance on big premiere openings in certain markets, comic con events, a largely panned teaser trailer and a long wait until an improved theatrical trailer made an appearance, etc, gives me the impression that Paramount felt like a franchise like Star Trek could just sell itself. Many people wondered why there was no connection to Star Trek's 50th Anniverery mentioned in any of the marketing and I too am puzzled. There seemed to be no effort to capitalize on the nostalgia offered by the simple year of this release. I don't think the teaser trailer can ever be overlooked. There are great trailers and there are terrible trailers. STB was . . . ehhhh . . . it was okay I guess. It was mostly just . . . . forgetable. And in the arena of marketing you are trying to spark interest in a product. So if that's the goal then, it failed. Let's put this in perspective.

Star Trek Beyond Teaser Trailer (aka: Captain Kirk finds a motorbike!)

Rogue One Teaser Trailer (aka: What will you become?)

Now which one do you think actually leaves people wanting more?

I strongly believe things could have been done much better but either way, domestic is done. It's all over but the crying. So now let us look at . . .


INTERNATIONAL

I've seen some posters laughably state that Star Trek Beyond won't make $300 million Worldwide because of its lower domestic take and the results of the first round of foreign countries. These predictions are laughable of course. It's like predicting the winner of an NFL division after the first few games and not taking the remaining schedule into account. $315 million is locked. I'd say a conservative guess will be somewhere in the $340-360 million range. My personal belief is that it will go $375+ million. This is STILL quite a drop from STID, there is no getting around that. But it's not the incredible flop that some are trying to make it out to be. Major disappointment - yes. Box office flop - no.

Paramount did arrange the foreign release schedule to take other releases and events into account. There were several countries that it decided Star Trek could simply go up against the big boys and do well. Australia, Germany and the UK have always been countries that have been supportive of the franchise so Paramount decided to release closer to the North American date there. And in doing so we have learned that Star Trek still has a niche audience as it subsequently got smashed in these territories. The numbers are grim. Essentially, Star Trek Beyond sold about a 3rd fewer tickets. Combine that with the much less favorable exchange rates and the revenue is down closer to 50%. STB has lost about $10-12 million in those three countries alone just due to currency fluctuations. This has only exacerbated the problem. By the way, Jason Bourne has outperformed STB considerably in the UK and Australia in its opening weekends, not to mention cutting STBs lets in the second weeks.

Still, the remaining countries should be a bit less cluttered for STB. Latin America will not be released until after the Olympics and after most of the big summer movies were released. China is on the same schedule as most of Latin America. Belgium, France, Spain and South Korea get their openings this week. Japan won't see STB until October (the last release). Over the next ,month we will see how STB does overall and if Paramount did a better job selecting favorable release dates in those countries than they did at home and in 3 historically pro-Star Trek countries (AU, UK, GER).

Belgium 17 AUG 16
Czech Republic 18 AUG 16
France 17 AUG 16
Norway 19 AUG 16
Portugal 25 AUG 16
Spain 19 AUG 16
Turkey 26 AUG 16
South Korea 18 AUG 16
South Africa 19 AUG 16
Venezuela 26 AUG 16
Argentina 01 SEP 16
Brazil 01 SEP 16
Chile 01 SEP 16
Colombia 01 SEP 16
Panama 01 SEP 16
Peru 01 SEP 16
Mexico 02 SEP 16
China 02 SEP 16

I have to indeed congratulate you to your predictions in your original post! They came mostly true, a very well informed opinion compared to most arm-chair accounting here (by me and others).
 
The home video market is a shell of its former self. You would have to assume DVD and Blue-Ray sales equivalent to Star Trek 09 for that to be true. STB will be lucky to earn half of STID's home video sales, let alone ST09. And STID also had a significant drop in HV sales from the 2009 reboot.

Ok, so I assume this is because of video streaming. People aren't buying as many Blu Rays and DVDs. But why does the actual dollar amount go down? Why doesn't it just transfer over to streaming? Buying digital copy instead of physical. Are people simply just renting on streaming services, and not buying? Waiting for movies to come to Netflix?
 
ST09 faced a much worse DVD/Blu Ray market because of the global recession pinching everyone's $$$ at the time and still sold well, todays marker is better and offers more choice. I think there is a lot of audience who wanted to see STB just not at the cinema so these people will buy, rent or stream the movie come home release and that's all $$$ to Paramount.
 
China does another estimated $4 million on Monday. It finished more than 4 times higher than any other movie playing. $35 million and counting.

Edit: Interestingly, Beyond lost $600,000 off it's foreign total but gained $750,000 from Monday's US estimate. Add the $4 million from China today which is not reflected in the numbers and it's at: $289,548,322

Ok, so I assume this is because of video streaming. People aren't buying as many Blu Rays and DVDs. But why does the actual dollar amount go down? Why doesn't it just transfer over to streaming? Buying digital copy instead of physical. Are people simply just renting on streaming services, and not buying? Waiting for movies to come to Netflix?
Yup, but I listed that on my Beyond box office post. It's also listed on the graph for secondary revenue. Paramount makes money for streaming and digital downloads. STID finished 4th in 2013 in digital downloads as per the statistics I posted.

RAMA
 
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Ok, so I assume this is because of video streaming. People aren't buying as many Blu Rays and DVDs. But why does the actual dollar amount go down? Why doesn't it just transfer over to streaming? Buying digital copy instead of physical. Are people simply just renting on streaming services, and not buying? Waiting for movies to come to Netflix?

Video streaming has increased but nothing compared to the drop from home video sales. The thrill of owning a bunch of DVDs that you don't ever watch has grown stale. Personally, I have hundreds of DVDs from years ago that . . . unless there is a terrorist attack on Direct TV satellites and my ISP or a zombie apocalypse . . . . I will likely never watch again. In fact, I find myself watching movies (or portions thereof) that I own on DVD when it is being broadcast simply because I ended up on it while traversing channels. Either way, outside of children's movies (because kids can watch a movie a dozen times and want more) home video is not really necessary. You can watch just about any movie at any time with streaming services these days. When you have a giant video library on demand, you would need to watch a movie 3-4 times before it became financially prudent to simply purchase (not including any expense for shipping or travel to the store).

Essentially, you are correct. People are not buying movies. They are waiting for Netflix or other premium services. I guess there comes a point where you own so many DVDs that you don't watch and question the value in continuing to accrue more.

ST09 faced a much worse DVD/Blu Ray market because of the global recession pinching everyone's $$$ at the time and still sold well, todays marker is better and offers more choice. I think there is a lot of audience who wanted to see STB just not at the cinema so these people will buy, rent or stream the movie come home release and that's all $$$ to Paramount.

I posted it in another thread but in 2009 there were 13 films that made an additional $80 million or more from home video sales. In 2015 there were five.

Streaming actually allows studios to keep even more of the revenue (there are no production costs, only distribution costs). But there just aren't that many people streaming to make up for all those people who stopped buying DVDs. I think the older people have given up on DVDs and the younger people know they can get movies for free (so why pay???). So a lot of important studio execs are having to put off buying that extra Jaguar for their 5 car garage or going on a 3rd vacation to Monaco I guess. Things are tough all over!!!! ;-)

I don't think there is a huge audience wanting to see STB at home. Sure, there are some . . . but a "lot"??? Ticket sales seen to indicate that there isn't that large of an overall audience for Star Trek when there are numerous other options playing at the theater . . . especially now that the nostalgia effect from 2009 has completely worn off. Sorry to say it but I think it is what it is.
 
I don't know how big it will be but I have seen many quotes online of casual fans and even some older fans who are willing to wait for video on this one...personally I think that's a mistake because Beyond was one of the best looking big screen movies in a few years..but aside from that...I think Beyond will do good business streaming and from disc.

Looking over some figures...Star Wars:TFA is a rare one amongst bluray releases, it sold 6.5 million copies or so while even a great movie like the martian only has a shade over 2 million. ST09 by comparison sold about 9 million copies. Streaming is putting a big dent into physical optical disc sales, but Paramount can make a small fortune in it's streaming rights.

https://mic.com/articles/134272/how...aming-giant-does-to-obtain-content#.JDGVdaoa0

In fact, CBS made a profit on Discovery already from streaming rights alone.

http://www.bizjournals.com/losangel...ek-sale-to-netflix-boosts-cbs-to-highest.html

RAMA



Video streaming has increased but nothing compared to the drop from home video sales. The thrill of owning a bunch of DVDs that you don't ever watch has grown stale. Personally, I have hundreds of DVDs from years ago that . . . unless there is a terrorist attack on Direct TV satellites and my ISP or a zombie apocalypse . . . . I will likely never watch again. In fact, I find myself watching movies (or portions thereof) that I own on DVD when it is being broadcast simply because I ended up on it while traversing channels. Either way, outside of children's movies (because kids can watch a movie a dozen times and want more) home video is not really necessary. You can watch just about any movie at any time with streaming services these days. When you have a giant video library on demand, you would need to watch a movie 3-4 times before it became financially prudent to simply purchase (not including any expense for shipping or travel to the store).

Essentially, you are correct. People are not buying movies. They are waiting for Netflix or other premium services. I guess there comes a point where you own so many DVDs that you don't watch and question the value in continuing to accrue more.



I posted it in another thread but in 2009 there were 13 films that made an additional $80 million or more from home video sales. In 2015 there were five.

Streaming actually allows studios to keep even more of the revenue (there are no production costs, only distribution costs). But there just aren't that many people streaming to make up for all those people who stopped buying DVDs. I think the older people have given up on DVDs and the younger people know they can get movies for free (so why pay???). So a lot of important studio execs are having to put off buying that extra Jaguar for their 5 car garage or going on a 3rd vacation to Monaco I guess. Things are tough all over!!!! ;-)

I don't think there is a huge audience wanting to see STB at home. Sure, there are some . . . but a "lot"??? Ticket sales seen to indicate that there isn't that large of an overall audience for Star Trek when there are numerous other options playing at the theater . . . especially now that the nostalgia effect from 2009 has completely worn off. Sorry to say it but I think it is what it is.
 
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I don't know how big it will be but I have seen many quotes online of casual fans and even some older fans who are willing to wait for video on this one...personally I think that's a mistake because Beyond was one of the best looking big screen movies in a few years..but aside from that...I think Beyond will do good business streaming and from disc.

Looking over some figures...Star Wars:TFA is a rare one amongst bluray releases, it sold 6.5 million copies or so while even a great movie like the martian only has a shade over 2 million. ST09 by comparison sold about 9 million copies. Streaming is putting a big dent into physical optical disc sales, but Paramount can make a small fortune in it's streaming rights.

https://mic.com/articles/134272/how...aming-giant-does-to-obtain-content#.JDGVdaoa0

In fact, CBS made a profit on Discovery already from streaming rights alone.

http://www.bizjournals.com/losangel...ek-sale-to-netflix-boosts-cbs-to-highest.html

RAMA
As someone who loves movies and has put in a lot of work into a home theatre, I hope that physical media never truly goes away. On a big screen a Blu-ray looks and sounds noticeably better than streaming anything. But while I can understand the convince of streaming, even vinyl has made a comeback. It might take awhile, but quality has a way of coming back to replace quantity sometimes.

The Martian was a really fine film. I'm surprised it didn't sell more copies. I suppose the best selling realeases will usually be franchises such as Trek, Star Wars and the Marvel and DC films.
 
The rule of thumb is 2x it's budget to reach the break-even point.
Simplistic, outdated and not really so.

Outdated, as in that for movies that make a larger share of their BO worldwide than domestic the situation is even more grim. But yeah. That's pretty much the starting point for industry insiders (after which the of course add correction factors). Anything else to add? No? Thought so...

We can safely assume Beyond will not break even during it's theatrical run.
Nope.

At this point it's not even an assumption anymore, but pretty much a fact.
 
Updated box office:

China:
Monday: Revised downward to: $3.36 million
Tuesday: $3.46 million

Edit: Actuals for the weekend were slightly higher in the US than expected.
$2,466,204 +9%, $765,681 for Monday. $155,075,207 total
4-day: $3,231,885 +42.9%

Current total: $292.4 million
 
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The problem is Paramount itself. The studio simply does not know what to do with the Star Trek franchise. From one hand, the big budget of the Kelvinverse movies suggests that they want Star Trek to become a blockbuster franchise, but from the other hand, the bad movie release days (instead of capitalising from the huge ST09 buzz due to its fantastic reviews, its oscar status, its massive bvd/blu-ray sales and its fresh cast greenlighting a sequel asap, they let Abrams go forth with Super 8 and as a result releasing STID 4 YEARS after ST09) and the lackluster international marketing (for example in my country tv trailers aired only a couple of days before each movie's release date while other promotional events were nonexistent) suggest otherwise. It simply feels like a missed opportunity for much more...
 
The problem is Paramount itself. The studio simply does not know what to do with the Star Trek franchise. From one hand, the big budget of the Kelvinverse movies suggests that they want Star Trek to become a blockbuster franchise, but from the other hand, the bad movie release days (instead of capitalising from the huge ST09 buzz due to its fantastic reviews, its oscar status, its massive bvd/blu-ray sales and its fresh cast greenlighting a sequel asap, they let Abrams go forth with Super 8 and as a result releasing STID 4 YEARS after ST09) and the lackluster international marketing (for example in my country tv trailers aired only a couple of days before each movie's release date while other promotional events were nonexistent) suggest otherwise. It simply feels like a missed opportunity for much more...

Instead of waiting on Abrams, imagine if they had brought in Lin/Pegg to have a sequel in 2011. That would have been sweeeeet.
 
The problem is Paramount itself. The studio simply does not know what to do with the Star Trek franchise. From one hand, the big budget of the Kelvinverse movies suggests that they want Star Trek to become a blockbuster franchise, but from the other hand, the bad movie release days (instead of capitalising from the huge ST09 buzz due to its fantastic reviews, its oscar status, its massive bvd/blu-ray sales and its fresh cast greenlighting a sequel asap, they let Abrams go forth with Super 8 and as a result releasing STID 4 YEARS after ST09) and the lackluster international marketing (for example in my country tv trailers aired only a couple of days before each movie's release date while other promotional events were nonexistent) suggest otherwise. It simply feels like a missed opportunity for much more...

I agree with you that Paramount mishandled ST09's success. I've always though Paramount was actually surprised by the success of the movie and had no real plans for the franchise after ST09. That's clear by the length of time between 09 and STID. Also STID was a misstep creatively as it was basically a rehash on Wrath of Khan. They had spent an entire movie resetting the franchise and by the second movie they were already falling back on old story lines.

Beyond seems to be following STID pattern in that foreign box office will be higher than domestic box office (though outside of China to lower numbers) when all is said and done. It's clear Paramount needs to rethink its domestic marketing. Beyond's marketing is the worst I can recall of any Trek movie since I started following Star Trek in the 90s. I think yes there has been some bleeding of the general audience from Star Trek (particularly since Star Wars return) but I think for Beyond it was that most people outside of the fandom weren't even aware the movie was coming out. I talked to several people at work who I knew would probably have gone to see it and none were aware that new movie had come out.
 
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