STC Ep. 7: "Embrace The Winds" speculation and discussion....

[YJAGG]

Call Forward ?

 

[Zaminhon]

Being a backer, I just got a sneak-peek photo of the planet set. It looks very nice. Apparently they're releasing the photo wide tomorrow. Definitely looking forward to this one!

Their sets need to go to a museum after the series is completed, or the location needs to be turned into a museum. I would hate to see it all dismantled and destroyed.

I can't imagine it being a significant point one way or the other. Unless it's a time travel story, which it doesn't look to be, nobody will be mentioning Rachel Garrett. And Garrett is a fairly common Earth name, unlike, say, Xindi.

True. But to knowledgable Trek fans it draws attention to itself.

I'm afraid that we'll have more than our share of that in the new CBS series, connecting the dots between ENT and TOS.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Their sets need to go to a museum after the series is completed, or the location needs to be turned into a museum. I would hate to see it all dismantled and destroyed.

Unfortunately they're just renting the building, so I fear for the future of the sets... unless they become Official Set Tour South or something.

 

[Warped9]

I'm afraid that we'll have more than our share of that in the new CBS series, connecting the dots between ENT and TOS.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. They will toss in some familiar references while ignoring everything else. As far as I'm concerned this will be no more a convincing pre TOS project than ENT was. It's essentially an alternate continuity where some references will be familiar.

 

[Zaminhon]

Link to Episode 7 will be released to supporters at 12 noon PDT today. General release will be tomorrow, Saturday 9/3 at 12 noon PDT.

 

[9gs]

Link to Episode 7 will be released to supporters at 12 noon PDT today. General release will be tomorrow, Saturday 9/3 at 12 noon PDT.

Did I miss an email or announcement?

 

[Zaminhon]

It was announced in their latest FB post. And ....
right on time! Just got the donor link..damn, have to wait until after work to watch it!

I'm incredibly impressed on what a well-oiled machine the STC production is.. always delivering what is promised and on time!

 

[9gs]

It was announced in their latest FB post. And ....
right on time! Just got the donor link..damn, have to wait until after work to watch it!

I'm incredibly impressed on what a well-oiled machine the STC production is.. always delivering what is promised and on time!

Agreed! Watched it just now. That's all I am going to say till Sat. Except to say going to have to log off before I violate that

 

[mos6507]

I'm incredibly impressed on what a well-oiled machine the STC production is.. always delivering what is promised and on time!

I feel that I've missed something here. Is there a link to any info that answers whether STC has been given some official exception from CBS/P to operate beyond the guidelines? Are they just finishing production of what they already shot or are they just kind of barreling forward as if the guidelines don't exist?

 

[9gs]

I feel that I've missed something here. Is there a link to any info that answers whether STC has been given some official exception from CBS/P to operate beyond the guidelines? Are they just finishing production of what they already shot or are they just kind of barreling forward as if the guidelines don't exist?

From an earlier post:

http://fff.trekbloggers.com/2016/08...ns-to-make-four-more-full-episodes-hopefully/

JAMES [KERWIN]: We’re planning to complete four more full-length episodes.
JONATHAN [FROM FAN FILM FACTOR]: Are you planning any more crowd-funding campaigns?
JAMES: No more crowd-funding.
JONATHAN: So can you make four full episodes with the $200,000 you have have from your last campaign?
JAMES: We actually have closer to $400,000.
JONATHAN: Did I miss an Indiegogo campaign???
JAMES: No, but we had some private investors come through for us. I think we’re somewhere between having $350,000 and $400,000 to work with…and that should be enough for four more episodes.
JONATHAN: Do those four include the one coming out next month?
JAMES: No, we’re planning for another four episodes after that.
JONATHAN: So you’ll wind up with eleven episodes total.
JAMES: That’s our intention.
JONATHAN: And they’re all going to be full-length, one-hour episodes…not 15 minutes each?
JAMES: Again, that’s our intention. We want to finish up the series, and we’re going to try to make these last four episodes as quickly as we can.
JONATHAN: So the obvious question is: what about the fan film guidelines? You guys violate nearly every one of them.
JAMES: Here’s the thing that a lot of people aren’t understanding about the guidelines. What CBS and Paramount have said is: If you follow all of these guidelines, then we will not sue you. But it doesn’t say: if you don’t follow these guidelines, then we will sue you. There is a big distinction there.
JONATHAN: So you’re going to make these four episodes and hope you don’t get sued by the studios?
JAMES: Over the years, we’ve had a very good relationship with CBS. We’ve been very respectful of them, which is something that isn’t true of all fan films. Additionally, we’re a 501(c)3 non-profit entity.
JONATHAN: And you think that’ll keep you off their radar?
JAMES: We’re not planning to hide anything that we’re doing. But we want to finish our series…if the studios will allow us to. We want to maintain our good relationship with them no matter what. So be sure to tell the readers on your blog that this is only what we want to do and what we’re planning to do. It’s not a guarantee that we willdo it. We are going to try to do it because that’s what our donors have supported us doing. But in the end, and most of all, we want to be respectful of CBS and Paramount, who own the rights to Star Trek.

=================================================== MY BIT:

So 11 episodes total. Given the circumstances while it's 2 shorter than planned I'm cool with that. Combined with NV that's 22 episodes, 25 if NV complete the 'in limbo' shows (Torment of Destiny, Bread and Savagery & Origins) Tbh I doubt Cawley is in a hurry. NV had changes characters, ranks, the ship etc though which is great but you can't realistically fit both series into one continuity without wriggle room

Hopefully Continues will be able to make the 4 extra shows, then finally it's 'wrap' arc leading Enterprise into the spacedock and giving TOS closure after all this time. That's what I'd like to see, a definitive completion.

 

[Firebird]

Just got done watching the episode. Overall, I liked it, it did get slightly heavy on the references at points during the third act, but nothing too egregious. Imahara's Sulu is much improved in this venture; he's finally dropping the sound-a-like approach to the character. The main issue I had was with how the B plot ended up serving the main plot.

I think I'd rate it a B+.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Not the greatest ever, but up to STC's usual high standards. I think the B+ is fair.

 

[Zaminhon]

Wow, it left a major question unanswered. Anyway, Chris Doohan has completed his transformation, he is his father on screen.

 

[Firebird]

Wow, it left a major question unanswered. Anyway, Chris Doohan has completed his transformation, he is his father on screen.

If you're referring to what I'm thinking of, I have to wonder if that will come into play for whatever the final arc is going to be?

 

[Zaminhon]

Yep, unfortunately gotta wait til tomorrow to discuss it fully.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

If you're referring to what I'm thinking of, I have to wonder if that will come into play for whatever the final arc is going to be?

And/or maybe it'll explain why a certain thing is done a few years later.

 

[Philip Guyott]

What a great episode

 

[Warped9]

Just watched it.

Uh, there was a lot I liked yet there were things I didn't care for. I will have to watch it again.

The things that bug me most are pretty much the same things that have bothered me from the beginning of STC. And they really went to town on one of those things in this episode. Thats a major demerit in my book given how it took me out of the story.

I don't know if I'd call this one of their weakest, but it wasn't one of their best.

For me "Lolani" and "Fairest Of Them All" remain their best efforts.

 

[DavidAntman]

From an earlier post:

Except as has already been pointed out here, both Kerwin and Hansell have denied the accuracy of this. Personally I've come to take everything Lane reports with a massive dose of salt, especially since he works for a certain other (ex) fan production.

 

[Warped9]

Overall, I liked it, it did get slightly heavy on the references at points during the third act, but nothing too egregious.

Disagree. They really laid those callouts on thick--completely kicked me out of the story every time given how obvious they were.

Candidly I found quite a bit of the writing weak in this episode. Again much of it felt very TNG like and the numerous blatant callouts is definitely fannish and does nothing to serve the story. All pretense of being as close to TOS as possible was completely undermined. This was glorified fanfic nearly as disappointing as "The White Iris."

I'm a staunch fan of STC, but the more I think about it the more I am disappointed with this effort.

I'd rate it 3/5 or just Fair.

It's not outright bad or poor, but it's certainly neither excellent nor good. They are so hellbent on connecting-the-dots and making rationalizations they undermined what could otherwise have been a decent story.