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T'Pol's emotions opposed to Spock's
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With respect I know them all by heart. First it was exceptional since Spock thought he had killed Kirk and second Spock is half human. While T'Pol is from an earlier time, she's a complete Vulcan and her display of emotion is much much more extensive than that. IOW, apples and oranges.
Which bit the 'crying and holding Kirk's hand after he melded with V'Ger' or the 'slapping something out of her hand, pulling her roughly to him and forcing a mind meld on her????? How unemotional was all that?
Exactly. Vulcans are a complex, interesting species, and their responses to emotional stimuli can vary individually, and even as a group, especially as they depend on "mental discipline" and the embrasure of a philosophy as the cornerstones of their civilization.
First you state Spock is very Vulcan then you quote his exceptional behaviour due to his half human heritage lol
T'Pol was less emotional than V'Las and he ruled the entire planet.
He didn't get at all emotional when his old friends greeted him warmly. That was Vulcan! His later emotional burst is kinda creepy by comparison; Only a Vulcan would feel compassion for a machine, especially one that has already killed repeatedly.
Apples and Apples. Spock was raised as a Vulcan and takes great pride in being a Vulcan. You can't hold him up as an example of how Vulcans act and then change course when he does something "un-Vulcan".
Being half human has little if any affect on how he reacts. Emotional supression and a devotion to logic are learned, not inherent.
No that was the kolinaru discipline which not all Vulcans undertake, not even Sarek would have been so cold and rude. TOS Spock would have nodded his head in greeting and still be Vulcan, Pre V'Ger Spock ignored them completely.
Relative to humans, maybe. Vulcan bullying is more intellectual.
I think they just pretend to be intellectual. If anything, certain forms of bullying are worse with Vulcans than humans. As we saw throughout TOS and ENT, too many of them conflate logic with conformity. If you thought human middle schools were bad, Vulcan schools must have cliques on steroids.
T'Pring was flawlessly logical and a bitch to boot, nothing moral about a culture based solely on logic, you can justify it to do anything.
in her defense, she wasn't given a choice.
Yeah I forgot all about Yesteryear. I have to rewatch the TAS episodes. Been years since I watched those.
Some of them are really silly.
Another strike against Vulcan culture.
She did have a few choices. Especially the one were she chose Kirk to be her champion, knowing that the Vulcan environment and Spock's bloodlust placed him at a severe disadvantage. Didn't want risk her boyfriend, I guess.
Well, blame all of that on the Vulcan custom of marrying children for life.
Exactly, If anything is
As I said, she could have allowed Stonn to fight Kirk, as is the custom. Nothing in Vulcan culture made her chose Kirk. The was solely on T'Pring being selfish
As a human being she would definitely suck. The question is: Does she suck as a Vulcan?
She sucks as a sentient being. As a Vulcan, based on what we think Vulcans are, yes she sucks. As for what Vulcans might think, hard to say. Spock called her scheme, "flawlessly logical". Ignoring the emotion involved.
That's the thing. Even though he was the victim Spock didn't seem at all accusatory.
Pretty sure he had no real interest in marrying T'Pring, but he gets in a parting shot
He just wanted to get back to the ship and face what ever consequences Starfleet had for him.
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