Tom & B'Elana

[stardream]

I thought too!
Nevertheless, I still have a weak for Tom Paris AND it is regrettable that Robert McNeil and Roxann Dawson left acting for directing/producing because, they wereThey were very good actors (well, when the scenarios and the directing allowed them to do their job)!

I thought they were both good actors as well but I think they both made a smart move. A lot of these Trek actors wind up being typecast. Not all of them were able to find work after Trek like Shatner and Stewart.

(fortunately, the cast of the Kelvin Timeline movies already had established careers so I don't think they have to worry about any of that).

I always thought that this showed how good of a guy was. He has that womanizer reputation but here is a woman that he is very attracted to who is litterally throwing herself at him begfing him to have sex with her and he doesn't because he thinks she's not in her right mind.

I have to admit I've read a good deal of fanfic where Tom didn't say no

Yeah, those things are rampant. I try to stay away from them.

 

[Paradise City]

Blood Fever is an episode that's good enough. The alien-on-the-planet is quite a typically Voyager-esque kinda of semi-villain and the whole premise of finding resources on a planet only to disturb an alien species there, had been done a million times before and will be done another million times hence. If there was objections to this episode that would be what I'd look at.

Torres getting a bit hot and heavy because of Vorik's momentary mindmeld is not wildly different from the events in Sarek in TNG. Erratic emotions and primal passions can be transferable. This episodes kicks off in earnest the relationship between Paris and Torres but it's supposed to be a thing that evolves over some episodes and that's fine with me.

 

[Anna Yolei]

I can't say I've enjoyed any of Trek's depictions of Ponn Farr.

In the original TOS episode, Spock was holding it together a lot more than I expected he would, as I'd seen this episode, the one in season seven with Tuvok and the obvious ratings bait of T'POL IN HEAT!! all before the original episode that spawned the plot of a thousand fanfics

 

[Sophie74656]

The best depiction of Ponn Farr was in Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy

 

[stardream]

The best depiction of Ponn Farr was in Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy

I forgot about that....

Tuvok held it together pretty good when he experienced it for real. I liked how Tom did his best to help him out....

 

[Paradise City]

If you are a Vulcan and you wind up alone on a desert island or an empty planet, doesn't matter if you are have the survival skills to make salad from stones, you're toast if you're in proximity of Ponn Farr. Which is a thought that has always nagged me as being a bit silly. And every seven years is a bit short of a time scale for a Vulcan to flake out and potentially die. So, yeah, Ponn Farr is a bit of a clumsy concept I think.

 

[Sophie74656]

If you are a Vulcan and you wind up alone on a desert island or an empty planet, doesn't matter if you are have the survival skills to make salad from stones, you're toast if you're in proximity of Ponn Farr. Which is a thought that has always nagged me as being a bit silly. And every seven years is a bit short of a time scale for a Vulcan to flake out and potentially die. So, yeah, Ponn Farr is a bit of a clumsy concept I think.

They said it can be handled with meditation

 

[2takesfrakes]

... the obvious ratings bait of T'POL IN HEAT!!

Which was preceded by B'Elanna in heat ... thanks to Vorik's Magic Hands. "Blood Fever" is one of those rare instances in STAR TREK, where so many are made to take an active interest in another character's need to get laid. "Tom! B'Elanna will die - OK? - DIE, unless you deliver The Goods!" But, when they're back on the ship and B'Elanna finds herself in an elevator alone with Tom, and she looks like she could die a thousand deaths, that's actually the best moment in this episode.

This absurd ratings-getting-situation is so humiliating, for her, but she must soldier on. She was going to have to face Tom, she was never getting out of it ... it had to happen ... and when it does happen, she was ultimately allowed to be very cute about it. She could have her dignity back. But it certainly had to have been a talking point amongst the Bridge's Senior Staff for a long time to follow ...

 

[Sophie74656]

Which was preceded by B'Elanna in heat ... thanks to Vorik's Magic Hands. "Blood Fever" is one of those rare instances in STAR TREK, where so many are made to take an active interest in another character's need to get laid. "Tom! B'Elanna will die - OK? - DIE, unless you deliver The Goods!" But, when they're back on the ship and B'Elanna finds herself in an elevator alone with Tom, and she looks like she could die a thousand deaths, that's actually the best moment in this episode.

This absurd ratings-getting-situation is so humiliating, for her, but she must soldier on. She was going to have to face Tom, she was never getting out of it ... it had to happen ... and when it does happen, she was ultimately allowed to be very cute about it. She could have her dignity back. But it certainly had to have been a talking point amongst the Bridge's Senior Staff for a long time to follow ...

That awkwardness between them in the turbolift was great. I wonder how it would have changed their relationship of Vorik hadn't gotten in their way.

 

[KelisThePoet]

I like "The Amok Time." It invented an interesting aspect of an alien physiology and explored its invention artfully, in the context of Spock's friendships and Starfleet career. As such, it was oddly both more of a self-contained narrative and more relevant to the show's larger premise than any of the franchise's subsequent stabs at a Ponn Farr episode.

None of the other Ponn Farr episodes are as original and creative, which may just be a casualty of returning to a concept that's already been done, but they just feel too much like gimmicks meant to obviously play on viewers' nostalgia for the original show and their broad interest in sex. And while I'm fine with both original series nostalgia and sex appeal, I want to see it more subtly handled--or else unapologetically (and briefly) played for humor a la "Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy."

 

[2takesfrakes]

You've hit it right on the head ... after "Amok Time," every other time Pon Farr's been featured prominently in an episode, it's been nothing more than a gimmick. An act of Creative Bankruptsy. These shitty-assed writers hate writing dispassionate Vulcans and will use any and every excuse to get them out of that mode ... because it's more "dramatic."

 

[Catarina]

Speaking of Pon Farr, did anyone feel it a bit inappropriate if not gross that Janeway openly discussed during his bridge shift how the holodeck would be at Tuvok's disposal? The episode name escapes me.
Say it a little louder Janeway. I don't think they heard you along Extra's row.

 

[KelisThePoet]

I can't remember the details, but I do remember this sense that the episode didn't treat Ponn Farr as privately as it was treated by Spock in "The Amok Time" or even by Tuvok and Vorik in "Blood Fever."

 

[Mareika]

For my part, though I'm especially not fond of Paris/Torres, I have to admit that they are cute together ... even if at the end, their couple became annoying, losing what made Paris, on one side and Torres, on the other side, interesting as a person/officer as if the collective had got the upper hand over the individual. It was too bad!

Agree. Although I like them and I think they are cute I wasn`t that fond of the couple. I know my English is really bad so I`m not able to write my emotion in the right way. For me the couple is so normal like many other couples and not interesting enough. I would prefer Torres/Vorik or Torres/Chakotay (although he belongs to Janeway).

So my fellow Tom and B'Elanna fans. I just found out that both Robert McNeill and Roxann Dawson will be attending the covention in New York next weekend. I am going on Saturday!!! Unfortunately their panel will be on Sunday and I can't go

Oh, that`s a pitty. Will there be a Voyagerpanel? Which others from the crew will be there? (Maybe Robert Beltran or Jery Ryan?)

 

[stardream]

Speaking of Pon Farr, did anyone feel it a bit inappropriate if not gross that Janeway openly discussed during his bridge shift how the holodeck would be at Tuvok's disposal? The episode name escapes me.
Say it a little louder Janeway. I don't think they heard you along Extra's row.

The episode was Body and Soul. Tom tried to be discreet..I don't know how Janeway found out about it. I agree about the whole bridge thing..she couldn't have whispered it in his ear or told Tom to let him know.

We just watched Amok Time and joked about how it seems now that everybody knows about the intensely private Vulcan thing...although Tom would know about it given his experience in Blood Fever.

 

[Sophie74656]

The episode was Body and Soul. Tom tried to be discreet..I don't know how Janeway found out about it. I agree about the whole bridge thing..she couldn't have whispered it in his ear or told Tom to let him know.

We just watched Amok Time and joked about how it seems now that everybody knows about the intensely private Vulcan thing...although Tom would know about it given his experience in Blood Fever.

Janeway has known Tuvok for many many years, I imagine she has seen him go through his Ponn Farr before and recognized it.

 

[Sophie74656]

Speaking of Pon Farr, did anyone feel it a bit inappropriate if not gross that Janeway openly discussed during his bridge shift how the holodeck would be at Tuvok's disposal? The episode name escapes me.
Say it a little louder Janeway. I don't think they heard you along Extra's row.

I didn't think it was very open, she said it quietly to him. She is a good frined of his for many years and she offered her support.

 

[stardream]

Janeway has known Tuvok for many many years, I imagine she has seen him go through his Ponn Farr before and recognized it.

But she would know not to talk about it. We don't talk about the Ponn Farr! (that's a bit of a joke. Fight club. I know, not funny)

But seriously...the only reason he talked to Tom about it was because the Doctor wasn't there.

 

[Kevman7987]

We just watched Amok Time and joked about how it seems now that everybody knows about the intensely private Vulcan thing...although Tom would know about it given his experience in Blood Fever.

SPock calls it a private thing, but he spent the rest of TOS using it as a conversation starter with the handful of women he seduced for mission or personal reasons. The time I usually think of is in The Cloud Minders.

"Hey! Do you want to hear about my people's secret sex ritual? If we don't go down to pound town at least every 7 years we die!"

 

[Sophie74656]

But she would know not to talk about it. We don't talk about the Ponn Farr! (that's a bit of a joke. Fight club. I know, not funny)

But seriously...the only reason he talked to Tom about it was because the Doctor wasn't there.

she was discrete about it. she just said she was aware of his situation and that he could take time off to take care of it.