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Tom & B'Elana

Roxann Dawson was just so beautiful and charming, it's kind of hard even seeing her as a Klingon, half, or full-blown. I've always hated that rubber head on her, it's so hideous. Which one? Any one ... I don't care. I hate them all. Though, and I really do hate having to admit this, but she and Robert McNeil didn't really have the kind of chemistry one might've expected.

Their sparring was cute, kind of, but outside of that, the spark left. It's NOT their fault, many famous, Real Life celebrity couples do a movie and their interactions don't work. It falls flat for some reason ... it's unbelievable, that can even happen. Having said that, it came down to Vorik or Tom Paris ... it's almost like she didn't have any choice but to choose Tom. It's either that\, or go the Janeway route, which I don't see working for her.

But having Paris & Torres being played by directors of some of the shows probably helped them out more than any of us can know. I'm confident that's why they were very interested and enthusiastic about their roles and playing them together. And honestly, having Tom as the ship's stud ... TOM? No ... I like him and all that, but I'm glad that McNeil understood the value of getting him into a relationship. It sold better than the other way and had Chakotay been just a few years younger, he should've been the ship's stud. But, despite the inevitability of it, I'm glad Tom & B'Elanna got together. You can't help but love her and he did make every effort to keep her happy.

Wow. I thought Tom and B'Elanna had GREAT chemistry. Not flat at all.
I might be in the minority but I thought Kira and Odo were...wooden. I think the actors gave it their absolute best but they never really convinced me.

All of this is subjective of course and the reason we have shipper wars. One person sees sparks where another person sees nothing.
 
Wow. I thought Tom and B'Elanna had GREAT chemistry. Not flat at all.
I might be in the minority but I thought Kira and Odo were...wooden. I think the actors gave it their absolute best but they never really convinced me.

All of this is subjective of course and the reason we have shipper wars. One person sees sparks where another person sees nothing.
I agree with you on this. I never really saw great chemistry between odo and kira. The interesting thing is that Ive seen both the Voyager cast and the DS9 cast at conventions and the voy cast always talks about being friends and having fun. The DS9 cast has talkes often about it being just a job, they came on set did their scenes and that was it
 
I'm not a fan of Kira, although, she would - occasionally - touch my heart. Like when that old fart wouldn't move off of his property so Bajor could build a bypass, or do whatever the balls they were going to. And Kira hated being the government's bully in this instance to the point where she kind of joined forces with the pensioner and almost had her job threatened, because of it. But Kira always had these goofy relationships with guys, though Odo was the most absurd. She even got with that pill who almost became Kai, that one time. Maybe they just couldn't figure what kind of guy would be attracted to her, so they kept fixing her up, like that.

B'Elanna, though, would attract these pernicious suitors like Vorik. They were all so in love with her, because she was hot and yet ... approachable. And it seemed like she'd let them hope for a while, too, before she tired of sparing their feelings and kicked them to the curb, finally ... in favour of her reading a Klingon romance novella. But as I say, though, she was always very sweet and this did lead her into a little bit of trouble, but nothing she couldn't handle. Then, when Tom joined their ranks, she was all like, "... what's this??? A ram amongst the sheep???" and got turned on by his advances, but did a good job of not showing it, until she went into Pon Farr(!!!).

But once they found themselves facing impending doom in the vacuum of space and she admitted to Tom that she was so madly in love with him that she couldn't stand it ... they kind of fell into this rhythm, with one another. Like how, when ostriches are in their mating dance and then start synchronous feeding ... as if they've been together a lifetime, already. It's kind of the same thing, with Tom and Torres.
 
I agree with you on this. I never really saw great chemistry between odo and kira. The interesting thing is that Ive seen both the Voyager cast and the DS9 cast at conventions and the voy cast always talks about being friends and having fun. The DS9 cast has talkes often about it being just a job, they came on set did their scenes and that was it
I don't really know DS9. However, I remember once Michael Dorn saying that shooting TNG was party time most of the time whereas DS9 felt like going to church. Like I said I don't really know DS9 but I also have the impression that the characters are enjoying their roles a lot less than those on Voyager. Not to mention the fact that they have a captain whose only form of communication is basically shouting, which might have been pretty off-putting.
 
Lucky you! Nobody feels the same as I, so I have to type novels! None of you people understands me, like I do.

Are you sure it's about that or they just have a different opinion that you? And for the record, I didn't always feel this way. First run? *finger down my throat* I'm not sure why my view changed but it has. Perhaps I'm more settled into the idea. I don't have a beautiful rhyme or reason for that today. A bummer. :)
 
Catarina, I suspect the reason for your changing attitudes towards pairing up Tom & B'Elanna is because you're a romantic@heart.com? As for people not agreeing with me ... I can lead a horse to water ... you know? But can I make it drink? that's my feeling on it. 2takesfrakes seldom makes mistakes. I'm still me ... I just don't feel like typing for three pages to sort it all out for them. I get nothing out of it ... you know? But when people take note of my dazzling brilliance... that makes me happy.
 
All right, guys. It's time to watch DARK FRONTIER. There's not much Tom and B'Elanna in that one but at least there's a lot of borg in it. I'll check back later. Cheers.
 
I understand the bit about not seeing chemistry in a pairing that everyone else does. I watched HOUSE when it aired and all around me people were going on and on about House and Cameron! The chemistry! The sizzle! The sparks when they were on screen together even if they were just discussing a diagnosis. I looked at them and saw....nothing and nothing anyone said could make it magically appear. It just wasn't there for me. They of course thought I was blind.
 
I understand the bit about not seeing chemistry in a pairing that everyone else does. I watched HOUSE when it aired and all around me people were going on and on about House and Cameron! The chemistry! The sizzle! The sparks when they were on screen together even if they were just discussing a diagnosis. I looked at them and saw....nothing and nothing anyone said could make it magically appear. It just wasn't there for me. They of course thought I was blind.

House and Cameron? Sure you don't mean House and Cuddy?
 
House and Cameron? Sure you don't mean House and Cuddy?

House and Cameron had a large following of fans. There were flame wars between the two factions.
Personally I 'saw' some sparks between House and Cuddy. I thought it was as plain as day but others claimed there was nothing there. It's all subjective.
 
I understand the bit about not seeing chemistry in a pairing that everyone else does. I watched HOUSE when it aired and all around me people were going on and on about House and Cameron! The chemistry! The sizzle! The sparks when they were on screen together even if they were just discussing a diagnosis. I looked at them and saw....nothing and nothing anyone said could make it magically appear. It just wasn't there for me. They of course thought I was blind.
oh my gosh I agree completely. I never saw it between House and Cuddy. He was just a jerk, nothing redeaming or lovable about him in my eyes
 
House and Cameron had a large following of fans. There were flame wars between the two factions.
Personally I 'saw' some sparks between House and Cuddy. I thought it was as plain as day but others claimed there was nothing there. It's all subjective.

Oh, I didn't know that but I can inagine. But I agree: There was zero chemistry between House and Cameron while there was some between House and Cuddy.

oh my gosh I agree completely. I never saw it between House and Cuddy. He was just a jerk, nothing redeaming or lovable about him in my eyes

I think Cuddy was one of the few who could handle his occasional arse-being and was in love with him, so I'd say from this perspective they made quite a good couple. For House, I think he deeply respected Cuddy, but I can't say if he was really in love with her.
I haven't watched the series in years, so my memory could be false. Don't mind my opinion too much. :hugegrin:
 
I don't really know DS9. However, I remember once Michael Dorn saying that shooting TNG was party time most of the time whereas DS9 felt like going to church. Like I said I don't really know DS9 but I also have the impression that the characters are enjoying their roles a lot less than those on Voyager. Not to mention the fact that they have a captain whose only form of communication is basically shouting, which might have been pretty off-putting.
Doug Drexler (makeup artist on TNG, Art Department on DS9/Enterprise) recounts a hilarious episode (no pun intended) that occurred during filming of "Deja Q":

Doug Drexler said:
The really remarkable thing was that there were no lines between the on stage crew and the actors. I can't stress how unusual that is. Often, and certainly I experienced it on some of the other Trek shows, there is the cast, and then there is the crew, and never the twain shall meet. Maybe they'll say hi to you in the morning, but more often than not they'll just go about their business and look right through you. I can't blame them. Learning pages of dialogue every day, day in and day out, being at the studio before dawn, working late into the night, worrying about cutting it, no time for home life... That is a heavy burden. Yes, you are paid well, but at a certain point that doesn't matter. But TNG transcended that, and every actor knew every name. It wasn't just courtesy; it was a special chemistry. No, this isn't just that tired Hollywood hyperbole. It really was "lightning in a bottle." Even more unusual was that, the later the nights wore on, the more fun it became. The bridge became a high-tech night club, and there was huge silliness, with singing, wrestling matches, water bottle bowling with Frakes, Spiner practicing his Jimmy Stewart, and honing his phaser fast draw, and Patrick reciting Scottish poetry in the native tongue. I never watched them do a serious rehearsal, and an appreciative stage crew was usually roaring with laughter. But I'll tell you what... when the bell rang, and the clapboard clapped, they were right on the money. It was uncanny.

The crew saw me as "their Oscar winner." and loved teasing me about it, especially LeVar Burton. No matter where we were, or what the situation was, LeVar would announce my presence in his best emcee voice, and at the top of his range, "Ladies and Gentlemen! Academy Award Winner... DOUG DREXLER!" In fact, in general conversation, I was no longer Doug Drexler, but Academy Award-winning Doug Drexler. LeVar carried the joke through several seasons and never missed an opportunity. One day I was walking down the busy main drag in Studio City, when this guy running at full tilt around the corner runs headlong into me. I'm about to say, “Hey, watch it, bub!” when who does it turn out to be? LeVar! Who, without missing a beat, turns to one and all on the busy thoroughfare, and at the top of his lungs announces... you guessed it… "Ladies and gentlemen! Academy Award Winner... DOUG DREXLER!" It was not the last time I would be teased about the Oscar, and LeVar would not be the only devil to employ it.

I was in the TNG makeup lab, prepping some appliance molds, when Mike Westmore dashed in, “Doug, the union doesn’t have any “body” makeup artists available today, so guess what?” Images of sugar plums danced in my head! What beauty would I be bronzing today! I’m the luckiest boy in the world! “It’s John de Lancie,” said Mr. Wes’mo, as my shoulders slumped. “He appears naked on the bridge, stripped of his Q powers by his fellow Q, and dumped on The Enterprise.” “Very well, sir!” I respond dutifully. “Where to, and what with?” Mike hands me a Max Factor pancake and a sponge. “He’s waiting in his trailer.”

Tap-tap-tap on the Winnebago. “Come in!” I slowly open the door, and peer into the darkness. John is wearing a bathrobe, busy on the telephone, and quite involved in the conversation. He waves me to enter. I gently close the door behind me. I don’t want to interrupt him. I smile, holding up the pancake and sponge. He nods in the affirmative, and loses the robe. He’s wearing a modesty G-string that maintains the privacy of his forward plumbing. I get to work, wetting the sponge and applying pancake. I know it feels a lot like being licked by a big Saint Bernard… it’s cold and yucky for sure, but de Lancie pays it no never mind, as he continues his phone call. He’s aware of me enough to anticipate needing to lift an arm or turn his body, but other than that he is oblivious. One complete turn and I am done. There comes a sharp rap at the Winnebago door, the second AD sticks her head in and says, “We’re ready for John.” De Lancie dons his robe, as I follow him into the cool and dark of Stage 8. The stage smells of ancient edifices, fresh lumber, paint, and cat pee. It’s funny how those smells give me a rush of excitement, because I know what they mean. Ahead you can see the glow of that amazing, beautiful TNG bridge. To our unadjusted eyes, light pours from it. The wall to Picard’s ready room has been flown out, and we cut through. It’s controlled chaos as grips, wardrobe, extras, construction and electric, criss-cross in front of us as we make our way.

By now our eyes have adjusted, and we can see the friendly and funny faces. “Grandfather” at his sound cart, Lovable Cosmo “Cosi” Genovese checking his script for continuity notes, Charlie “Chooch” Russo, polishing Geordi’s visor. Suddenly; there is a huge crash to the left, and most don’t even look, because they know that Jonathan Frakes is bowling with empty Sparklett bottles. LeVar notices me come into the bridge, and he calls out loud enough for everyone to hear… “Ladies and gentlemen! Academy Award-winning makeup artist DOUG DREXLER!” I feel the blood rushing to my face. LeVar plainly knows he’s embarrassing me, and he loves it. The crew hoots and cheers their admiration. I wave like the mighty Casey, and then shake my fist at LeVar. Out of the corner of my eye I spot director Les Landau. Les and I have some history. He is observing me, and the adulation I am receiving with a mischievous smirk. I realize I am in trouble.

John hands his robe to wardrobe Jerry, and takes his mark on the bridge, buck naked. Landau approaches, looks at John’s naked butt cheek and yells at the top of his lungs! “MAKEUP!” I wear a tight smile that I cannot help as I walk over, because Landau has seen the opportunity for comedy, and there is no way he can pass it up. I know where he’s going, I think it’s hilarious, but I want to run away. As the entire crew turns to see what Les is yelling about, he points to a spot on de Lancie’s gluteus maximus and proclaims, “I think you missed a spot!” Wow! Everyone starts whistling, screaming and laughing as I stroke Max Factor pancake onto Q’s bum. I’m smiling and shaking my head as I do my job with all the professionalism I can muster. Les plants one hand on his hip, presenting me with the other, and like a circus ringmaster proclaims: “LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! ACADEMY AWARD-WINNING MAKEUP ARTIST, DOUG DREXLER!” The crew goes wild, as the bridge literally explodes with laughter and applause! Frakes roars! Patrick, loving me being humbled, grins like the Cheshire Cat. Dorn chants my name, "Drexler! DREX-LER! DREX-LER! De Lancie is still oblivious to me and everything else, as he is lost in memorizing his lines.
Best comment:

You get home, the wife asks, “What did you do today?”

You respond, “I pancaked Q’s butt.”
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