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TNG Movie Era - Unfinished Business?

Danlav05

Danlav05

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A lot of people are unsatisfied with Nemesis for various reasons, I remember when reading about it thinking it could have been TNG's Wrath Of Khan !

I'd love to have seen a film which would really wrap up the tale featuring:
* The final mission of Jean-Luc Picard, where he would not die but rather take up an ambassadorship ala Countdown
* Data's memories beign transferred to B4
* Aftermath of Shinzon on Romulus
* The Titan
* Appearance of Voyager - Seven on the Enterpsie as a consultant?
* Trip to Deep Space Nine - maybe a rendezvous
* Maybe the villains could be the Borg in a final battle

I appreciate this may be a hefty shopping list, and some of these things have been done in the novel series and TNG Hive, but imagine if this was a final movie? How would you do the idea?
 
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Nemesis is an underwhelming finale for the TNG crew but I wouldn't want another movie with them. Only FC was any good. If Discovery had been set after Nemesis instead of being a prequel all the loose ends could easily have been tied up. I'm not a fan of Data possessing B4's body. I'd rather he stayed dead than do something like that but there are other ways to resurrect him.
 
* I prefer to think of Picard out there captaining the Enterprise in perpetuity. Remember some advice he once got:
Captain Kirk said:
Don't let them take you off the bridge of that ship because while you're there, you can make a difference.
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* Do we really need to see this? And what exactly do we want to see - Data's personality override B4? Because that would effectively kill B4, and that's not very fair - or very Star Trek. Data's dead, people need to stop trying to think of ways to bring him back.
* I can't remember if this was in the movie (canon), or the deleted scenes (non canon), but didn't somewhere near the end of Nemesis say that Riker and the Titan were off to start Romulan peace negotiations or somesuch?
* See above.
* Seven on the Enterprise is fanwank bollocks and nothing else. Admiral Janeway in Nemesis was bad enough but at least it was only a cameo on a viewscreen.
* DS9 in a TNG movie for the sake of it is fanwank bollocks and nothing else. If it has some relevance to the story, fair enough. But wouldn't that story be better off in a notional DS9 movie than a notional TNG one?
* We've already had a Borg TNG movie. And VGR removed any teeth they had left.
 
They should have done a three-way crossover to wrap up the 24th century. Maybe it could even have had some preliminary hints at the Romulan supernova.
 
I kind of like the idea that Data's memory (and a little help from Geordi giving B4 necessary upgrades) jumpstarts B4's development, so that B4 can finally build Data a new body and then download him into it. Because Data has been hanging around in B4's head all this time, he knows what's what, and can return to duty at some point.
 
FormerLurker said:
I kind of like the idea that Data's memory (and a little help from Geordi giving B4 necessary upgrades) jumpstarts B4's development, so that B4 can finally build Data a new body and then download him into it. Because Data has been hanging around in B4's head all this time, he knows what's what, and can return to duty at some point.
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That's always been my view too. :) I'm incredibly uncomfortable with the idea of B4 being 'overwritten' by Data, but I love the concept that Data 'jumpstarts' B4's development into eventually becoming his own distinct being. It'd give actor Brent Spiner something new to play as well, which would keep him happy (instead of playing Data, who he'd long grown tired of playing.)
 
The fun part is when Data returns, only to ask for some other assignment than with his old friends on the Enterprise, and goes away, while B4 (who in my head-canon renames himself Beta) has long since taken his place with the heroes we know so well. Either way, Brent Spiner keeps his day job.
 
I would like a final movie, but would be just as fine seeing a season 8 of TNG to wrap up the fallout from Nemesis. What I would like to see is TNG close out with a peace agreement between the Federation and the Romulans. I would rather they have Geordi build another Soong android body to download Data's memories into than him overriding B-4. Something about that just feels wrong and something Data wouldn't condone. A TNG Season 8 could also focus on the Titan a bit. And we could also see what happened with Wesley, Dr. Pulaski, Ro Laren, Selar, Nurse Ogawa, Barclay, and so on.
 
Terok Nor said:
Nemesis is an underwhelming finale for the TNG crew but I wouldn't want another movie with them. Only FC was any good. If Discovery had been set after Nemesis instead of being a prequel all the loose ends could easily have been tied up. I'm not a fan of Data possessing B4's body. I'd rather he stayed dead than do something like that but there are other ways to resurrect him.
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Laura Cynthia Chambers said:
Like the Emergency Android Hologram?
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There's a quick and easy way to bring Data back ...

Max Data? Data Headroom?

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ItIsGreen said:
* I can't remember if this was in the movie (canon), or the deleted scenes (non canon), but didn't somewhere near the end of Nemesis say that Riker and the Titan were off to start Romulan peace negotiations or somesuch?
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Yeah, I think that's in the movie. In the same scene where Picard is asking Riker what his first orders are. It's also the scene in which Picard gives him a version of what Kirk told him.

Personally, I feel Nemesis was such a wasted opportunity. It almost felt like they were setting it up as a trilogy, similar to how II, III and IV were connected with a singular story arc. The tagline on the poster "A Generation's Final Journey Begins", seemed to hint at it. It also might explain the reasoning behind why the Titan was never seen, as maybe they hoped to reveal it in the followup. I'd have made the sequel mostly follow Riker and his crew, with the Enterprise crew in a reduced role, possibly appearing near the end to help out Riker. The peace with the Romulans represented an interesting new era that was worth exploring, with a whole bunch of new ramifications and scenarios popping up.
 
Fans decided that was all the business they were interested in, when they left the theater after Nemesis.
 
"Nemesis" never should have been made.

I was looking forward to TNG movies as Season 7 was ending in '94, because TNG seemed more suited for the big screen than TOS. I think they really blew it.

Braga/Moore/Berman just didn't have Feature chops.

Why "Nemesis" was greenlit is baffling. Noone involved was inspired, beyond the paycheck. They needed to step Back and take their time.

Too much time has passed to revisit TNG. The style of the show is not contemporary. Some of the cast has aged quite a bit. Too much 24th Century Trek was pumped out by the studio--- Trek needs a fresh approach to rebuild popularity ( Discovery/ Kelvin Universe).

TNG at its height was superb. But their films killed demand for any more. For good. And it's a shame. They should of had 6 quality films. They made mostly crap.
 
I'm not sure there's much point in making a TNG film unless someone actually has a story worth telling. I can't see a theatrical release being viable.

I wouldn't rule out one last voyage for Patrick Stewart and the gang, especially now Trek is coming back to TV.
 
I'm ok with how it finished and I'm a huge STNG fan. Riker and Troi to the Titan. Picard gets to teach B4 all over again. Worf goes back to his Defiant. The E-E gets repaired and sets sail onward.
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The best finale of TNG was "All Good Things". It was an alpha-and-omega story. They never mapped out how to top that in the TNG films and so they can't help but feel anti-climactic.
 
Sybok Was Wrong said:
I was looking forward to TNG movies as Season 7 was ending in '94, because TNG seemed more suited for the big screen than TOS. I think they really blew it.
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TNG was never going to have the same success as TOS on the big screen. TOS was fun, action-adventure with a sci-fi backdrop, it was perfect to be brought to the big screen. TNG was just too deliberate in its pacing to hook audiences on the big screen. What worked on TV became a noose for TNG on the big screen. It couldn't be what it was on TV, and it never felt right when they attempted action-adventure fare.

The best thing they could've done for TNG, was to keep it on TV. Begin the process of cycling characters during seasons six and seven, and have an all new crew on the ship for season eight.
 
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