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Legal situation concerning the new TV series

Is it really an either/or situation for what'd probably be a 2 minute scene? :p

Logic demands it's Archer tbh. It's always the previous series, timeframe allowing for the fudge with James Cromwell. Though the could go left field. Have Hoshi there in wrinkles to proudly see the latest universal translators. Or Jeffrey Coombes Shranning it up in blue face. I say this as someone who really doesn't like enterprise...the whole point in things being celebrated as long running series, and to an extent, part of the point in long running series, is that it has traditions. Otherwise you are just watching Dark Matter (which I actually quite love for basically being the love child of Star Trek and Neuromancer.)
Same reason it had to be Prime....if you are celebrating a fiftieth anniversary it is dishonest to be a remake. It would be like celebrating the 50th anniversary of your first wedding with your second spouse after the divorce.
Traditions are something that enrich a thing, be it a culture, an art form, or in this case a story.
2 mins that do that, mean nothing for newcomers now, but if they stay as fans and go back to the other series, then it will mean a lot more to them on their rewatches.
And to existing fans it's a nice touch....I want to say Nimoy in the reboots is another example of the tradition, but it isn't really, it's too much part of the plot, and not really the most recent series allowing for the timeframe...they did that in the comic book prologue instead.
 
...the whole point in things being celebrated as long running series, and to an extent, part of the point in long running series, is that it has traditions. Otherwise you are just watching Dark Matter (which I actually quite love for basically being the love child of Star Trek and Neuromancer.).

I'm not sure I entirely agree with that. It's not necessarily the "traditions" or the continuity that define a given property. A Dracula movie is still a Dracula movie even if Bela Lugosi doesn't make a cameo to hand things off to Christopher Lee or whomever. And STAR TREK doesn't become DARK MATTER just because nobody from Enterprise shows up in first episode. If you've got the Federation, Starfleet, Klingons, transporters, the Prime Directive and all that . . . it's still going to be recognizably STAR TREK.

And "traditions" are often just an excuse to keep doing the same thing over and over again even if there's no longer any purpose to it.

Although I grant that sentiment and nostalgia have their place sometimes. :)
 
And "traditions" are often just an excuse to keep doing the same thing over and over again even if there's no longer any purpose to it.

I think there's a fairly clear purpose to having a cast member from the prior incarnation of a thing show up to "pass the torch" to the new cast. It helps to attract the interest of the existing fanbase and to establish an air of legitimacy in their eyes, or to reassure them that it's a continuation of the same universe (or multiverse). Although maybe Quark and Zefram Cochrane weren't the ideal choices to do something like that.
 
I think there's a fairly clear purpose to having a cast member from the prior incarnation of a thing show up to "pass the torch" to the new cast. It helps to attract the interest of the existing fanbase and to establish an air of legitimacy in their eyes, or to reassure them that it's a continuation of the same universe (or multiverse). Although maybe Quark and Zefram Cochrane weren't the ideal choices to do something like that.
I didn't really see the Quark cameo as a passing the torch thing, because DS9 was still airing for some years after VGR season 1 and well.. It just didn't fell like a "pass the torch moment". It was a cameo that kinda made sense in the setting (Voyager getting lost during their mission in the Badlands, near DS9).
 
I'm not sure I entirely agree with that. It's not necessarily the "traditions" or the continuity that define a given property. A Dracula movie is still a Dracula movie even if Bela Lugosi doesn't make a cameo to hand things off to Christopher Lee or whomever. And STAR TREK doesn't become DARK MATTER just because nobody from Enterprise shows up in first episode. If you've got the Federation, Starfleet, Klingons, transporters, the Prime Directive and all that . . . it's still going to be recognizably STAR TREK.

And "traditions" are often just an excuse to keep doing the same thing over and over again even if there's no longer any purpose to it.

Although I grant that sentiment and nostalgia have their place sometimes. :)

You are right on the Dark Matter front, though the way that series actually does use a ton of Trek traditions is what brought it to mind. It's really subtle ones mind you. And half its technobabble.
Dracula though isn't comparing apples and apples though, since it's canon consists of one and a bit stories, plus one sort of different version in the stage play. After that it's mutated...things like Nosferatu creep in, and the traditions become the traditions of the Vampire literary figure, and not necessarily the traditions of Dracula itself, whenever things like anniversaries start being talked about. The biggest influence on Vampire fiction since then is of course Anne Rice, and you see her influence particularly in every recent attempt to 'go back to the original Dracula'.
Trek is 700 hour plus visual media canon, with the original creator basically naming his successor and all of it following from there...the only mutation and divergence comes through the Bennet iteration in the films, which even then maintained the original cast, and the three Bad Robot films. The vast majority of Trek very consciously is one continuity. (Occasional gaffes and retcons aside) McCoy trod the decks of three enterprises on screen, as did Scott, who met Picard as did Spock..Picard met Sisko, who met Kirk, and Janeways crew left from his station....etc etc. Many see it as a curse these days, God knows why, but this is Star Treks greatest strength more than its weakness. Even with Fuller we have a guy in charge who in some ways is a successor to Berman, by virtue of his days on Voyager. There's a line of a succession behind the scenes and on the screen.
In some ways Trek is a form of Monarchy rather than a Republic...it isn't the same idea being redone in different ways and being reborn, it's one idea always growing from each generation into the next. The lack of disruption makes it probably the richest imagined universe in existence, and to break that would be a real shame.

I suppose I am something of a Trek cavalier...I may not even have liked enterprise, but it is not the Cromwellian rebellion of a reboot, overseen by a rump producer of the original. In Discovery, there is a return to the broken line that starts way back with The Cage/ Where No Man Has gone before/ The Man Trap/ The Corbomite Manuevre. Trek has so many beginnings, but it has always somehow kept that through line. I am hoping that remains the case.
 
I didn't really see the Quark cameo as a passing the torch thing, because DS9 was still airing for some years after VGR season 1 and well.. It just didn't fell like a "pass the torch moment". It was a cameo that kinda made sense in the setting (Voyager getting lost during their mission in the Badlands, near DS9).

None of the cameos were torch passing, except maybe Cochrane. They were all 'welcome to the family'.
And Riker snatching said torch back and telling enterprise it was adopted in These Are the Voyages.
 
In some ways Trek is a form of Monarchy rather than a Republic...it isn't the same idea being redone in different ways and being reborn, it's one idea always growing from each generation into the next. The lack of disruption makes it probably the richest imagined universe in existence, and to break that would be a real shame..

Hah. You almost make it sound like a religion, with the one true doctrine being passed on by apostolic succession.

Guess that makes me a heretic and anti-monarchist. :)

"Disruption" is not always a bad thing. Sometimes it helps keep things fresh and interesting.
 
I want Bruce Greenwood to cameo as Pike, just so he can dress down a subordinate.

"Are you responsible, Ensign, or should I be looking to keel haul someone else?"

"Yes."

"Yes, what?"

"Yes, sir. I'm responsible."

"Did you think you'd actually get away with it? Are you out of your mind?"

"No."

"Ensign, you'd better start explaining yourself. I hate 'yes' or 'no' answers."
 
Hah. You almost make it sound like a religion, with the one true doctrine being passed on by apostolic succession.

Guess that makes me a heretic and anti-monarchist. :)

"Disruption" is not always a bad thing. Sometimes it helps keep things fresh and interesting.

Nah. I am just looking at how historically it has worked. I leave religous fervour to other nutters. I also think fresh ideas can be brought in without having to bring down the monarchy so to speak. It's how Trek got people like Michael Piller...Jeri Taylor...Ira Behr...Ron Moore...you don't need to break the toys to enjoy playing with them.
 
I want Bruce Greenwood to cameo as Pike, just so he can dress down a subordinate.

"Are you responsible, Ensign, or should I be looking to keel haul someone else?"

"Yes."

"Yes, what?"

"Yes, sir. I'm responsible."

"Did you think you'd actually get away with it? Are you out of your mind?"

"No."

"Ensign, you'd better start explaining yourself. I hate 'yes' or 'no' answers."

Nice and very meta given what ultimately happens to Pike.
 
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