CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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IP... the final frontier... these are the voyages of the starship "Disclosure"... It's never-ending mission... To explore strange new litigations... To seek out new C&D's... And new NDA's... To sue where no one has sued before...
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"They ... are not open to logical, money-making solutions."
Probably because, oh I dunno, making money on something millions of fans want is kinda better than what - at most - about 12,000 rabid fans want. And those rabid fans are going in an utterly different direction from the current creative vision. And those rabid fans don't spend significant amounts on licensed merchandise and some of them are openly saying they will pirate the licensed content anyway. And the company has to protect its multiple million dollar licensing agreements with companies like Anovos, MAC Cosmetics, etc.
But yeah, they don't want to make $24,000. That's such a horrible business decision! {note: sarcasm}
CBS/P doesn't "run their business like a non-profit", Alec.
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I know this isn't strictly Axanar, but hilarious report on two douchebag brothers who basically blew over $2m of crowdfunded cash on apartments, cars and holidays rather than, y'know, deliver the thing they promised
There was a recent court case in the UK where the accused got off with a suspended sentence in an assault case, then crowed about it on social media. The judge promptly hauled their ass back in and jailed them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-36427873
There was a recent court case in the UK where the accused got off with a suspended sentence in an assault case, then crowed about it on social media. The judge promptly hauled their ass back in and jailed them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-36427873
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A troll got trolled............
"comes off as stealing a fan film premise" -- How can this be, if there was never a script the studios could legally point to?
"Let's not be stupid here, let's do something that will meet everyone's agenda" -- Tell it to the judge. Especially the for profit agenda of the non-IP holders part.
"You have a series that can cater to the fans" -- Studio creatives are not writing endless fan service. New young demographic, new content. Wakey, wakey, time to stop dream-arguing...
"Please CBS, let's not cause more friction between the fans" -- The obvious way to achieve this is to eliminate cockroach hypocrite scammer for-profit "fan" projects claiming how stupid and unfair it is not to cut them in on the profits they are already in the process of stealing when confronted.
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The one thing that's really starting to get sand in my shorts here is every time an Axanar supporter starts talking about "we" and "they" making this thing real.
Excuse me, aside of a donation, you aren't making anything. You're not being creative. You're not seeing something from concept to completion. So please, stop talking like you're actually in the trenches making stuff. You know, like the majority of the Prelude to Axanar team that is no longer on the production were doing. No, more broadly stroked than that, anyone who has ever made a Star Trek Fan Film with minimal to no outside donations. Sweat, blood, and love of what you're doing.
Say what you will about Prelude, lord knows a lot of people have voiced their criticism of it, but at least they did something. That team got actors in make up, and got some performances together, and interlaced that with some well done CGI and music. They told a Trek story in a novel way that hadn't ever been done before. Nothing can ever take that away from those people who put in those hours. Love of their craft, and love of Trek.
I just hope that this case closes up, one way or the other, sooner, rather than later. So that the healing process can begin.
Excuse me, aside of a donation, you aren't making anything. You're not being creative. You're not seeing something from concept to completion. So please, stop talking like you're actually in the trenches making stuff. You know, like the majority of the Prelude to Axanar team that is no longer on the production were doing. No, more broadly stroked than that, anyone who has ever made a Star Trek Fan Film with minimal to no outside donations. Sweat, blood, and love of what you're doing.
Say what you will about Prelude, lord knows a lot of people have voiced their criticism of it, but at least they did something. That team got actors in make up, and got some performances together, and interlaced that with some well done CGI and music. They told a Trek story in a novel way that hadn't ever been done before. Nothing can ever take that away from those people who put in those hours. Love of their craft, and love of Trek.
I just hope that this case closes up, one way or the other, sooner, rather than later. So that the healing process can begin.
The eternal problem of the Internet: It allows a vocal minority to project itself as if it were a majority.
As for LFIM's statement, "We have tried to make a deal and they will have no part of it," I'm reminded of any number of anecdotes from my days covering the FTC. Most FTC cases are decided without trial, which means they are technically settled. But the settlements always consisted of, "Here's an agreement granting the FTC all of the relief it will seek at trial -- sign this now or waste your money defending a hopeless position in court." There was never any negotiations.
My other take-away from LFIM's comments regarding "logical, money-making solutions," is that it's starting to become clear that he intentionally constructed Axanar--or more to the point, the Whatever-We're-Calling-It-Today Studios--as a Potemkin Village. (Not to be confused with the Excelsior-class USS Potemkin.) After all, if his objective was simply to grift the donors, he would not have gone to the effort of procuring the warehouse. He would've simply embezzled the money and skipped off to the Caribbean by now. Similarly, if he just wanted to make a film, he would've heeded Christian Gossett's counsel and been done a year ago.
Instead, he went to the time and expense of creating the facade of a potentially profitable studio in the hopes that CBS would "buy him out." It reminds me of the Michael Scott Paper Company story arc from "The Office." Michael started his own paper company, lured away Dunder-Mifflin's top clients by undercutting their prices--a financially unsustainable business model--and convinced the company to buy him out. Of course, that scheme only worked because D-M was (a) run by idiots and (b) in a financial position where they couldn't risk losing the sales from the Scranton office. I don't think CBS is in a similar position here. Even under the worst case scenario, they can risk the "loss" of Axanar's donor base.
It seems clear from his statements that Alec Peters wants to make AXANAR and "give" it to CBS/Paramount for them to distribute and make money. Alec would thereby become the creator of an official Star Trek production. Clearly, he does not recognize that that CBS/P will not allow that to happen.
I think his plan was more along the lines of going to CBS and saying, "Remember me? I used to work for you as your Star Trek archivist. I know more than anyone when it comes to Star Trek. And did you see the little fan film I made called Axanar? You need to fire JJ Abrams and Justin Lin, and let ME write/direct/produce and star in the next five Star Trek movies! And while we're at it, I can do a couple TV series set in different time frames!"
...or investors would buy him personally out after the studio got a piece of a real production...
It has really hit me for the first time: Peters believes he is on equal footing with CBS/Paramount. That he is in some sort of position to negotiate terms. That he thinks he actually has leverage. Peters believes that he has something of value to give to CBS/Paramount.
I don't know WHY he believes that an unmade film somehow has value.
Or 10,000 donors.... (of course, how many of those donors are still loyal to Peters?)
Or a studio space...
I'm just... really seeing it now... he thinks he can buy his way out of this. (Or get a payout--but, why the fuck would CBS pay HIM any money? He stole from them.)
I don't know WHY he believes that an unmade film somehow has value.
Or 10,000 donors.... (of course, how many of those donors are still loyal to Peters?)
Or a studio space...
I'm just... really seeing it now... he thinks he can buy his way out of this. (Or get a payout--but, why the fuck would CBS pay HIM any money? He stole from them.)
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