Does anyone like TMP uniforms?

[Galactic Alignment]

The TMP colour coding makes more sense than the traditional gold/blue/red system - command staff separated from bridge crew, medical specialists from science, alien fodder from engineers. And division colours as the secondary colour of the uniforms? Good idea.

 

[Pauln6]

Watched the Black Hole last night and I thought Kate McCrae's outfit looked pretty fine compared to some of the TMP ones. Maybe tweaking the uniforms more akin to hers, with the collar, padded shoulders, belt, and tailored trousers might have looked better for TMP?

 

[-SS-]

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While on the whole I think the uniforms are not that great, there are some elements that I do really like. The Class A tunic and Kirk's dress tunic are nice designs, especially the curved front and rear panels. I like the use of the old-style rank braid, but I like the epaulettes on the other tops as well. The clean white of the medical uniforms was good and allowed medical personnel to be easily identified. I appreciate that there were short-sleeve uniforms, though I think the sleeves were a bit too short.

I think the following movies showed how the TMP uniforms could be improved, even the jumpsuits with the way they were modified into the enlisted uniforms. The maroon dye and separating the boots from the pants were both major improvements that could have been applied to all the variants. The security guard variant of the Class As looked better too with the addition of the turtlenecks, and without the armor I think they could have made a good duty uniform alternative to the dressier jackets. The turtleneck helped McCoy's white tunic as well.

Here are some illustrations of the modifications I described earlier.

 

[Therin of Andor]

The TMP colour coding makes more sense than the traditional gold/blue/red system - command staff separated from bridge crew, medical specialists from science, alien fodder from engineers. And division colours as the secondary colour of the uniforms? Good idea.

Actually, the concept of the blue/grey and the beige versions was that officers and crew could choose a colour scheme that suited their whim. Note that the Rhaandarite ensign is in blue/grey but Uhura, Chekov and Sulu, who outrank him, are in beige. Ilia and Chekov are the same rank but one in blue/grey and the other in beige. Chapel seems to have blue/grey and beige versions in publicity pics, plus her white medical scrubs. Decker also has blue/grey and beige uniforms, although the beige one is only in publicity pics (and his 3.75" action figure). There were also people in brown, some in white and the starbase personnel in green.

And yes, I liked the use of six division colours on the insignia patch and epaulettes.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

They should have at least made the pants black. But here's an idea what they might have looked like with the TOS colors.

 

[DeepSpaceYorks]

I love them so much. I desperately want a t shirt in that Kirk Admiral design and colour scheme.

 

[Tomalak]

Shouldn't Chekov be red?

 

[Pauln6]

I love them so much. I desperately want a t shirt in that Kirk Admiral design and colour scheme.

I think I'm going to research getting some TMP uniforms made for the QMX 1:6 line. Ok, Kirk's hair won't be quite right and Scotty will be sans moustache but even so...

The dilemma is, which uniforms? Almost everybody wears three different versions!

 

[CaptainMurdock]

Shouldn't Chekov be red?

Yes but I figured since Scotty and Rand wore red in TOS, I figured I'd make Chekov yellow so their wasn't too much of one color.

 

[Tomalak]

Fair enough! Decker and Kirk look great in those gold shirts.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

The beige uniforms are hideous, but I quite like the white/gray uniform Kirk wears in the beginning of the film. I think that's his admiral uniform? The white short-sleeved one is okay too. But I'm glad they radically changed the uniforms from WoK onward.

 

[J.T.B.]

Actually, the concept of the blue/grey and the beige versions was that officers and crew could choose a colour scheme that suited their whim. Note that the Rhaandarite ensign is in blue/grey but Uhura, Chekov and Sulu, who outrank him, are in beige. Ilia and Chekov are the same rank but one in blue/grey and the other in beige.

I always thought that made sense, but is there anything "official" on that? I only ask because the publications I've seen that Fletcher was involved with say blue was intended for senior personnel and beige for junior, though obviously it didn't work out that way.

I was at a major naval base the other day and was thinking that all the variation in TMP seems even less far fetched than I once thought! Back when I was in you were supposed to change out of working uniforms to be seen in public, so at a base you might see sailors at work in dungarees/utilities but in the summer going to the NEX etc. would involve changing into (the hated) summer white, while chiefs and officers might wear white or khaki. Now, in one hour, I saw sailors in blueberry camo, enlisted in khaki with black pants, officers/chiefs in khaki with khaki pants, officers/chiefs in summer whites, enlisted in "crackerjack" dress whites, and aircrews in green flight suits.

 

[Cγrano Mudd]

I was ten years old when I saw the new uniforms for The Motion Picture. I liked 'em. Still do.

Here's where I saw them:

 

[Therin of Andor]

I always thought that made sense, but is there anything "official" on that? I only ask because the publications I've seen that Fletcher was involved with say blue was intended for senior personnel and beige for junior, though obviously it didn't work out that way.

Fairly sure it was a "Starlog" piece by Susan Sackett (her regular column) during production. There was mention of then-current navy personel having considerable leeway in uniform coordination, IIRC.

It seems that most characters were screen-tested (or at least wardrobe tested) to see which colour was more complimentary for each actor. The wardrobe test of Decker in a beige jumpsuit influenced his 3.75" Mego figure (but not his 12.5" version).

 

[J.T.B.]

Fairly sure it was a "Starlog" piece by Susan Sackett (her regular column) during production. There was mention of then-current navy personel having considerable leeway in uniform coordination, IIRC.

I will look for that, thank you!

 

[Elder Knight]

Fairly sure it was a "Starlog" piece by Susan Sackett (her regular column) during production. There was mention of then-current navy personel having considerable leeway in uniform coordination, IIRC.

It seems that most characters were screen-tested (or at least wardrobe tested) to see which colour was more complimentary for each actor. The wardrobe test of Decker in a beige jumpsuit influenced his 3.75" Mego figure (but not his 12.5" version).

"Hmm, the tight pants make Decker's 3.75" look like 12.5"! We'd better re-think this one."

 

[ItIsGreen]

It probably makes sense to have so many different styles and colours of uniform, but I never got the hang of distinguishing rank/department etc with the movie-era uniforms. The Maroons were a little simpler (though I never did get my head around the rank emblems), but with the TMP uniforms you have the colour of the uniform itself (which in theory have some logic but as has been mentioned further up the thread, this logic was not always adhered to), then the background colour of the arrowhead insignia, and then the sleeve/shoulder rank indicators. It's a lot to have to check when trying to quickly identify what job/rank/department someone has. The TOS and TNG uniforms at least kept it simple.

That said, I like some of the TMP uniforms. The standard crewneck versions, and Kirks dress(?) uniform he wore as Admiral, which I think most people like. I don't much care for the rest - the V-neck/collared ones are very 70s and date the movie, and the short sleeve versions never did anything for me. The colours were a bit drab too, though the grey wasn't too bad.

 

[J.T.B.]

It probably makes sense to have so many different styles and colours of uniform, but I never got the hang of distinguishing rank/department etc with the movie-era uniforms. The Maroons were a little simpler (though I never did get my head around the rank emblems), but with the TMP uniforms you have the colour of the uniform itself (which in theory have some logic but as has been mentioned further up the thread, this logic was not always adhered to), then the background colour of the arrowhead insignia, and then the sleeve/shoulder rank indicators. It's a lot to have to check when trying to quickly identify what job/rank/department someone has. The TOS and TNG uniforms at least kept it simple.

Well, if the TMP uniform colors are not that important, all the information you need is the rank and the department color, and on the Class B, working dress and field jacket, they are both in the same place. The advantage over TOS is that you could tell a medic from a geologist and an engineering technician from a security guard.

 

[ronbrothers]

I loved them from the beginning even if they seem more dated than even the TOS uniforms. They kind of remind me of pajamas.

 

[Pauln6]

I think I will maybe go for a hybrid uniform for the 1:6 e.g. the two piece uniforms with rank epaulets rather than braids, as these and the Federation badge denoting department can easily be stuck on a uniform and swapped around. Trouser bottoms instead of pyjama bottoms, not sure if the little crease really adds much. Black shoes are probably fine across the board. The Per-scan belt buckle is fine but should be thinner and sleeker. The one piece technician uniforms with pockets are fine with trouser bottoms. Should security be in red though like TWoK onwards? It does seem a shame for redshirts to be in white!