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Rewatching Voyager

Just re-watched Retrospect (4x17 -> Accusations is the french title).
I liked this episode because of the issue which was very serious but it let me uncomfortable, especially because of Janeway's reaction, which was IMHO a little too light, afterward, toward Seven & the Doctor at the level of the penalty.

I mean, on the 3 people involved in this story: 1, Kovin, was so ashamed by false accusations of "rape" against him, he preferred to commit suicide that to face the slander and the alleged victim, Seven, and her defender, the Doctor - too blinded by his mentor's role and his so-called new capacities as psychologist -, got away with just the famous Janeway's glare (which must be the equivalent of the slap on the wrist, I guess!) - and furthermore, a sense of shame ...

I don't say that Janeway should have accepted the proposal of the Doctor to erase all the improvements brought to his program since the beginning, like the attempt to develop a realistic personality though he still is a member of holographic family, whatever his attempts to become "human". It was surely too much BUT, she would have formally had to ask him to stop his experiments that wasn't within his area of competence. I mean, he is an EMH, neither a ship's counselor like Deanna Troi (who besides her human qualities, learnt thanks to her long-term work) or a representative of judiciary like Tuvok! -> plus, impersonating is considered criminal. Seen the number of times when the Doctor used this way of making often for ego stuff, he would have deserved in many respects a serious warning from Janeway or Tuvok! :whistle:

Anyway, what Seven & the Doctor did was a very serious error of judgement, which deserved an equally warning & some fairly sanctions, strong enough so that it made them think twice before acting in a irresponsible way (it would certainly have prevented Doctor from continuing afterward, the improvement of his program, exceeding by the same, his rights & duties, which will endanger Voyager and its crew from time to time. proving by the same, that he didn't hold lessons of his past errors, often just an ego stuff! :crazy: . On the contrary, Seven seemed more reasonable. :)). Even if they admited to have been/acted wrong in uttering of false accusations, the damage was already done and this case ended by the death of an innocent man. If Kovin hadn't died, his reputation and his integrity as man and trader would have been soiled for life, even after his innocence was recognized.
 
Well, the convention is over, so I found some time to watch some Voyager tonight.

Latent Image

What a good philisophical episode this was. I love the Doctor, and I love the development he's gotten in the 4 and a half seasons so far. This episode deals with a conflict in his programming in which he let a crewman die in favor of saving Ensign Kim. I get there are some holes in this story, such as where was Kes. If this episode happened in Season 3, Kes would have been there and I think she would have fixed the problem with a thought. Despite that though, I love what this episode did for Janeway, and Seven being the voice of reason. The scene in Janeway's quarters was really the best part of this episode, as Seven was absolutely correct. I also liked the scene in the holodeck and the passage of the book the Doctor read to end the episode.

Bride of Chaotica!

This episode is just fun. We dig deeper into the Captain Proton program (I still like Sandrines as the best program though) and we had a truly 1950s plot. Also, gotta love Janeway as Arachnia. After seeing Kate Mulgrew last Saturday, to see her especially in this episode makes me convinced she can play anything. She really has a strong presence in anything she is in.
 
Gravity

I've been looking forward to this episode ever since I started my rewatch. The reason for that is because I'm a big fan of Orange is the New Black and this recent season of the show, Lori Petty had a sensational season as Lolly. I wanted to go back to one of her early works and it was on Voyager. This episode is a nice character study for Tuvok. We see he has a conflict of emotions as a young man, and it matches up to his relationship with Noss in present day. I liked that dynamic, even though I have to admit, Paris did come off as a bit of a creep here. Tuvok is too honorable to cheat on his wife, even if they are 50,000 light years from home.

I did like the idea of temporal machinations, even though I think Blink of an Eye did it better in season 6. It was a nice episode, and Lori Petty was great here. Maybe not as polished as Lolly, but I do like her as an actress.
 
Well, the convention is over, so I found some time to watch some Voyager tonight.

Latent Image

What a good philisophical episode this was. I love the Doctor, and I love the development he's gotten in the 4 and a half seasons so far. This episode deals with a conflict in his programming in which he let a crewman die in favor of saving Ensign Kim. I get there are some holes in this story, such as where was Kes. If this episode happened in Season 3, Kes would have been there and I think she would have fixed the problem with a thought. Despite that though, I love what this episode did for Janeway, and Seven being the voice of reason. The scene in Janeway's quarters was really the best part of this episode, as Seven was absolutely correct. I also liked the scene in the holodeck and the passage of the book the Doctor read to end the episode.

Bride of Chaotica!

This episode is just fun. We dig deeper into the Captain Proton program (I still like Sandrines as the best program though) and we had a truly 1950s plot. Also, gotta love Janeway as Arachnia. After seeing Kate Mulgrew last Saturday, to see her especially in this episode makes me convinced she can play anything. She really has a strong presence in anything she is in.
I love these two episodes. I loved Robert Picardo in Latent Image

Bride of Chaotic is just pure fun, love it!
 
Gravity

I've been looking forward to this episode ever since I started my rewatch. The reason for that is because I'm a big fan of Orange is the New Black and this recent season of the show, Lori Petty had a sensational season as Lolly. I wanted to go back to one of her early works and it was on Voyager. This episode is a nice character study for Tuvok. We see he has a conflict of emotions as a young man, and it matches up to his relationship with Noss in present day. I liked that dynamic, even though I have to admit, Paris did come off as a bit of a creep here. Tuvok is too honorable to cheat on his wife, even if they are 50,000 light years from home.

I did like the idea of temporal machinations, even though I think Blink of an Eye did it better in season 6. It was a nice episode, and Lori Petty was great here. Maybe not as polished as Lolly, but I do like her as an actress.
I liked this episode a lot. Loved the Tuvok back story. Though I personally wished to see Tom and B'Elanna's reunion. For him so long had passed and he missed her, but for her it was different. Would have been interesting to see them talk about that.
 
I came up with a headcanon idea of why Tom was so pushy in Gravity and it was simply because he was bored with being stuck on that planet. Whenever he gets bored...he unintentionally causes conflict and gets into trouble. Vis a Vis, Alice etc. I've known people like that, who grew up with a lot of drama in their childhood (as Tom evidently had a lot of conflict with his father so there was probably a lot of arguing and shouting) and they become used to it. It is their real life. To them it is normal. Without counseling (or some good self-awareness) as they grow up they literally don't know how to deal with a 'normal' life so they create drama. They interfere in other people's personal lives etc etc.

So to me...that's what was happening with Tom.
 
I came up with a headcanon idea of why Tom was so pushy in Gravity and it was simply because he was bored with being stuck on that planet. Whenever he gets bored...he unintentionally causes conflict and gets into trouble. Vis a Vis, Alice etc. I've known people like that, who grew up with a lot of drama in their childhood (as Tom evidently had a lot of conflict with his father so there was probably a lot of arguing and shouting) and they become used to it. It is their real life. To them it is normal. Without counseling (or some good self-awareness) as they grow up they literally don't know how to deal with a 'normal' life so they create drama. They interfere in other people's personal lives etc etc.

So to me...that's what was happening with Tom.
Interesting. But I don't know if he was trying to cause drama. I think it came from his own feelings of missing B'Elanna
 
Interesting. But I don't know if he was trying to cause drama. I think it came from his own feelings of missing B'Elanna

Of course, that figured into it but then that wanders off into the territory of us asking the question "If Noss had been interested in HIM would he have just gone along with it the way he was pressuring Tuvok to do?" His justification would have been the same. He thought he would never see B'Elanna again. I don't like to think that of him so I go with my own explanation.

And you have to understand he wouldn't be doing this on purpose. It was the only way he knew how to deal with periods of extreme...quiet.
 
Of course, that figured into it but then that wanders off into the territory of us asking the question "If Noss had been interested in HIM would he have just gone along with it the way he was pressuring Tuvok to do?" His justification would have been the same. He thought he would never see B'Elanna again. I don't like to think that of him so I go with my own explanation.

And you have to understand he wouldn't be doing this on purpose. It was the only way he knew how to deal with periods of extreme...quiet.
yeah, I'm a helpless Tom and B'Elanna fan so in my own headcanon he would never go for her haha.

that kind of reminds me of the scene with Tom and Tuvok when he had the pon far and Tom suggested that he use the holodeck:
PARIS: I do have one area of expertise that might help. The holodeck.
TUVOK: I am a married man.
PARIS: It's the holodeck, Tuvok. It doesn't count.
TUVOK: Is that what you tell your wife?
PARIS: No, of course not. My days of rescuing slave girls from Planet Ten are history
 
I came up with a headcanon idea of why Tom was so pushy in Gravity and it was simply because he was bored with being stuck on that planet. Whenever he gets bored...he unintentionally causes conflict and gets into trouble. Vis a Vis, Alice etc.

After seeing Vis a Vis recently, that's a very interesting theory. He's always trying to play matchmaker, especially with Kim and the Delaney Sisters. Kim still has a fiancee at home, yet here is Tom basically saying you won't see her again, time to start living life again. He does the same thing with Tuvok here, and what you were saying might be a reason why.
 
After seeing Vis a Vis recently, that's a very interesting theory. He's always trying to play matchmaker, especially with Kim and the Delaney Sisters. Kim still has a fiancee at home, yet here is Tom basically saying you won't see her again, time to start living life again. He does the same thing with Tuvok here, and what you were saying might be a reason why.

It would probably also explain why he and B'Elanna fought all the time. To him constant drama was NORMAL and how families worked. Of course, her being half Klingon had a lot to do with it... I think her Klingon half needed someone to push back but that's another subject.
 
Bliss

I really like Namoi in this episode. Overall, it's a great story, but Naomi this season is proving to not be annoying like Wesley was in the first few years. I actually find the scenes between Naomi and Seven. As for the plot, I liked the idea of a beast deceiving the crew and then devouring the ship is kind of like Moby Dick in space. Like I said, it was a neat story with some great character moments.
 
Dark Frontier

Here we are, the episode that kinda neutered the Borg. Everyone said it was in Unity, but I still think the Borg were scary in Unity and that episode gave them a new deminsion. Then you had Scorpion and that awesomeness, and I loved what Omega Directive did, and then you had Seven bring brought onto Voyager. Through all that, I still thought the Borg were what we saw from TNG and still a great villain. Now here we are at Dark Frontier, and I do think this is where Voyager started neutering the Borg and it went downhill from here. I'm watching this episode, and I'm asking myself why did they want 7 of 9, and why did they keep her as an individual. If it was to understand individuality, couldn't anyone they assimilated give them that knowledge? If it was to give Seven a guilty conscience, what does it matter. They are Borg. Their purpose is to assimilate and add to their collective. I also didn't like how it seemed like this episode ignored continuity. For one, They said that no one had ever regained their individuality from the Borg, yet Picard would disagree. They also had this whole thing about The Raven and that ignores what happened in Q Who, which in Star Trek time happened about 8 years ago (6 seasons of TNG since the Borg discovery, a half season to when Voyager launches, and then a season and a half to Dark Frontier.) but this was about 24 years ago.

With all that said, this episode plays to Voyager's strengths, in that you get an hour and a half action show that is fun and exciting and sheds some light on Seven's childhood. I loved the flashback scenes, and how they connected to present day. I also loved Action janeway (Even though it is a violation of the Prime Directive) and we really do see how much the character has changed since Voyager's launch. This is a fun and exciting episode, and it's a very nice two parter. It's not as good as Scorpion or Year of Hell, but I had a great time watching it all the same.
 
The Disease

Not a fan of this episode. There is no such regulation about relationships between alien races, and the way Janeway treats Kim here is as unfair as the way she treated Tom in 30 Days. So because Kim is an ensign means he can't make his own decisions and be his own man? The writers keep trying to develop Kim but they don't do the thing that will really develop the character. Give the dude a promotion. For as much as he's meant to the ship, she should have been a Lt. Commander by now or something. Hell, they should have promoted him after Timeless, which is always going to be the best Kim episode of the series.

Course: Oblivion

Is this episode the most depressing Voyager episode of the run? It feels like it is because not only does the Demon crew never make it back home, the ship explodes, and they will be forgotten. I did love it though as a follow up to Season 4's Demon. It was interesting the writers decided to do an episode featuring the duplicated crew and I think overall it worked. It would have been nice if the real Voyager had gotten to them in time. I did love seeing Tom and B'Elanna married though, even if it was for a short time. It's a preview to Season 7 when they finally do tie the knot.

The Fight

The Fight is Voyager's Masks for me. An episode that was so weird and so "out there" but I still enjoyed it because of all those reasons. Also, many people hate Masks and I get why, but I love Masks and think it's one of Brent Spiner's finest moments. I also think The Fight is one of Beltran's finest moments too, and I love the concept of first contact with aliens who used Chakotay's vision quest and his memory of the Boxing simulation. Now I'm sure the main flaw is we never heard of Chakotay's interest in boxing before and I always hate that argument. We also never heard of Paris's interest in the oceans in 30 Days (Hey, two comments about 30 Days in one review post) yet people like that episode quite a bit. In Voyager, they always seem to come up with new interests for the crew. It's better than having them say Yes Ma'am all episode, like they typically do.
 
yeah, I'm a helpless Tom and B'Elanna fan so in my own headcanon he would never go for her haha.

that kind of reminds me of the scene with Tom and Tuvok when he had the pon far and Tom suggested that he use the holodeck:
PARIS: I do have one area of expertise that might help. The holodeck.
TUVOK: I am a married man.
PARIS: It's the holodeck, Tuvok. It doesn't count.
TUVOK: Is that what you tell your wife?
PARIS: No, of course not. My days of rescuing slave girls from Planet Ten are history

On that subject, I don't see how Tom could get the finer details of Tuvok's wife and not the size of her ears which seems a lot simpler in comparison. Or did he do it on purpose?
 
Hi guys,

I'm back. Don't have time to comment right now but I'll share a few wallpapers. I hope you'll like them. Cheers!
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Welcome back. :)
BON RETOUR, Thomas Eugene!!! :) And thanks for the new wallpapers! :techman:
Salut, tout le monde ...
... and thank you for a very warm welcome. This board feels like coming home ... :lol:
Et j'espere que vous allez bien ... :)

And I'm more than happy to share my wallpapers - as usual. Also, now that I'm sitting in front of my good old (actually new :biggrin:) PC again, I can't wait to start making wallpapers for the next episode. Which one should that be, I wonder ...
 
Also, please check out my thread for the latest Tom-B'Elanna wallpaper ...
That is if you are a T/B (or P/T) shipper ... :D
 
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