Does anyone have any theories about the event he is talking about. He's already confirmed its not the Romulan war, axaner, or the Kobayashi Maru. Any ideas?
Event alluded to by Bryan Fuller.
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Didn't something happen regarding Orion and Captain Pike?
Or maybe Kodos the Executioner?
Or maybe Kodos the Executioner?
As I understand it, it could have been referenced in any of the Trek shows, not just TOS, correct?
Someone needs to compile a list of historical references to the period
ETA: I wonder if this ties into that early comment about 'picking up where TUC left off'?
Someone needs to compile a list of historical references to the period
ETA: I wonder if this ties into that early comment about 'picking up where TUC left off'?
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Whst references to the 2250's in any Trek show that would apply?
I think it's something 'mentioned not seen'
We might surmise it doesn't directly touch any of the TOS heroes, because STD would want to be its own thing, and the TOS actors (or even their 2000s counterparts) wouldn't be available anyway.
So, Kodos the Executioner would fit the bill timewise, but since it intimately involves Kirk, I rather think the STD writers wouldn't want to touch it. But the war in which Garth fought, or the one where he implied Kirk fought, might be it. Or the Axanar peace mission. Or the Vulcanian expedition. As long as it's not all about Kirk, and preferably not about Kirk and a maximum of eight other people, either...
For the same reason, I doubt it's any of the career moments of our TOS heroes. And those make up the bulk of canon entries for the 2250s.
Timo Saloniemi
So, Kodos the Executioner would fit the bill timewise, but since it intimately involves Kirk, I rather think the STD writers wouldn't want to touch it. But the war in which Garth fought, or the one where he implied Kirk fought, might be it. Or the Axanar peace mission. Or the Vulcanian expedition. As long as it's not all about Kirk, and preferably not about Kirk and a maximum of eight other people, either...
For the same reason, I doubt it's any of the career moments of our TOS heroes. And those make up the bulk of canon entries for the 2250s.
Timo Saloniemi
The reason I suggest the Vulcanian Expedition is because there is so little known about it. What might this mean? While Kirk was mentioned as being a part of it, apparently there is more than one ship involved in this new series so its easy to say he was off somewhere doing something. Discovery as a title, to me, tends to indicate that it returns to the Star Trek ideal of exploring new worlds in unknown space. McCoy mentions in an episode of TOS that Vulcan was conquered. What if that is just the beginning? Vulcan was conquered by some unknown race, and perhaps its even more complicated than that. Perhaps Vulcan even is "stolen" by these aliens. (It could explain why Amanda Grayson is a part of it in some fashion.) Part of this mission is exploring some part of space Starfleet knows nothing about in order to find out more information about who stole Vulcan, why they took it, where it went and how the hell do they restore it and save all the Vulcans?
Maybe that's too fanwanky an idea but it also could be very interesting.
Maybe that's too fanwanky an idea but it also could be very interesting.
Are not klingons involved somehow? Anything go on at that time with Klingons?
There's the Battle of Donatu V
Don't mean to be a party pooper but you guys should check his Twitter, he's giving us let's say...not so subtle answers. He retweeted from screen junkies a list they have labelled "everything we know". Fifth on the list? "Set in the Klingon wars before TOS". Brought aboard Nicholas Meyer? Picks up from TUC but doesn't take place after the movie? I think we can do the math here people
We should state the facts first:
OK, those are the facts we have to work with. Of course, there are facts and there are facts. In my experience with every Trek series, it seems the show runners are not as up to speed on the minutia as we rabid fans are. Sometimes show runners lie or stretch the truth or tell the truth "from a certain point of view" in order to keep the suspense and secrecy, while teasing us a little. Sometimes show runners are willing to alter or ignore certain facts for the sake of artistic license or creativity.
Hollywood reporter's comment about the Klingon Captain being part of the cast is interesting. Since we're talking Pike era, that means Klingons are the enemy. We're not talking about Worf or TNG era Klingons. If this is true then we'll be seeing a lot of the Klingon side of the story. Sounds like one of the main or recurring villains or plot foils is part of the main cast.
With that thought in mind... I have some musings about how ambiguous those facts are. Is the series set 10 years before Kirk took command of the Enterprise or 10 years before Kirk was born? I've seen fans speculate both, even after reading the release. Either they didn't read or they misremembered. Let's go with 10 years before Kirk took command. Now, I still don't think that's a hard 10 years. Maybe it's 9 or 11 years. To cover all our bases, we should look 5 to 15 years before Kirk took command.
I wen through Memory Alpha twice looking from 2245-2265. Here is what I found that might work.
2245 The Battle of Donatu V is fought between Federation and Klingon forces near Sherman's Planet. The battle ends without results. (TOS: "The Trouble with Tribbles")
2246 An exotic fungus destroys most of planet Tarsus IV'sfood supply. (TOS: "The Conscience of the King"), James T. Kirk - at the age of 13 - is one of nine surviving eyewitnesses to a massacre of some 4,000 colonists ofTarsus IV by Governor Kodos. (TOS: "The Conscience of the King")
2250 Robert April leaves the USS Enterprise as its commander for an appointment as Federation ambassador-at-large. (TAS: "The Counter-Clock Incident")
2255 The Treaty of Armens is established between theSheliak Corporate and the United Federation of Planets. The treaty cedes several Class H planets from the Federation to the Sheliak. The treaty contains 500,000 words and took 372 Federation legal experts to draft. Upon concluding the treaty, the Sheliak ended communication with the Federation. Talks between the two would not happen again until the year 2366 when a dispute arose over a Humancolony on Tau Cygna V. (TNG: "The Ensigns of Command"), Lieutenant James T. Kirk, on his first planetary survey mission, visits theplanet Neural, where he meets Tyree. (TOS: "A Private Little War")
That's all I could find that would be noteworthy enough to involve the USS Discovery. Now, out of those events, I see 2 that involve or could involve the Klingons. 2245 The Battle of Donatu V and 2255 Kirk's visit to Tyree's planet. I'm suggesting the visit to Tyree's planet only because the Klingons were involved in "A Private Little War." The incident itself is not noteworthy.
So, maybe we're talking about the Battle of Donatu V? This would involve Klingons. A Klingon captain is supposedly part of the main cast. A battle would suggest ongoing or prolonged hostility. This era is the height of the Federation/Klingon cold war.
The 2255 Treaty of Armens is interesting. I've seen others mention the Sheliak. Such a treaty might be of interest to the Klingons. However, is Fuller's tease about the event being mentioned but not seen on screen specific to TOS or can it include TNG?
I've not found anything else. I'm open to ideas or suggestions.
OK, those are the facts we have to work with. Of course, there are facts and there are facts. In my experience with every Trek series, it seems the show runners are not as up to speed on the minutia as we rabid fans are. Sometimes show runners lie or stretch the truth or tell the truth "from a certain point of view" in order to keep the suspense and secrecy, while teasing us a little. Sometimes show runners are willing to alter or ignore certain facts for the sake of artistic license or creativity.
Hollywood reporter's comment about the Klingon Captain being part of the cast is interesting. Since we're talking Pike era, that means Klingons are the enemy. We're not talking about Worf or TNG era Klingons. If this is true then we'll be seeing a lot of the Klingon side of the story. Sounds like one of the main or recurring villains or plot foils is part of the main cast.
With that thought in mind... I have some musings about how ambiguous those facts are. Is the series set 10 years before Kirk took command of the Enterprise or 10 years before Kirk was born? I've seen fans speculate both, even after reading the release. Either they didn't read or they misremembered. Let's go with 10 years before Kirk took command. Now, I still don't think that's a hard 10 years. Maybe it's 9 or 11 years. To cover all our bases, we should look 5 to 15 years before Kirk took command.
I wen through Memory Alpha twice looking from 2245-2265. Here is what I found that might work.
2245 The Battle of Donatu V is fought between Federation and Klingon forces near Sherman's Planet. The battle ends without results. (TOS: "The Trouble with Tribbles")
2246 An exotic fungus destroys most of planet Tarsus IV'sfood supply. (TOS: "The Conscience of the King"), James T. Kirk - at the age of 13 - is one of nine surviving eyewitnesses to a massacre of some 4,000 colonists ofTarsus IV by Governor Kodos. (TOS: "The Conscience of the King")
2250 Robert April leaves the USS Enterprise as its commander for an appointment as Federation ambassador-at-large. (TAS: "The Counter-Clock Incident")
2255 The Treaty of Armens is established between theSheliak Corporate and the United Federation of Planets. The treaty cedes several Class H planets from the Federation to the Sheliak. The treaty contains 500,000 words and took 372 Federation legal experts to draft. Upon concluding the treaty, the Sheliak ended communication with the Federation. Talks between the two would not happen again until the year 2366 when a dispute arose over a Humancolony on Tau Cygna V. (TNG: "The Ensigns of Command"), Lieutenant James T. Kirk, on his first planetary survey mission, visits theplanet Neural, where he meets Tyree. (TOS: "A Private Little War")
That's all I could find that would be noteworthy enough to involve the USS Discovery. Now, out of those events, I see 2 that involve or could involve the Klingons. 2245 The Battle of Donatu V and 2255 Kirk's visit to Tyree's planet. I'm suggesting the visit to Tyree's planet only because the Klingons were involved in "A Private Little War." The incident itself is not noteworthy.
So, maybe we're talking about the Battle of Donatu V? This would involve Klingons. A Klingon captain is supposedly part of the main cast. A battle would suggest ongoing or prolonged hostility. This era is the height of the Federation/Klingon cold war.
The 2255 Treaty of Armens is interesting. I've seen others mention the Sheliak. Such a treaty might be of interest to the Klingons. However, is Fuller's tease about the event being mentioned but not seen on screen specific to TOS or can it include TNG?
I've not found anything else. I'm open to ideas or suggestions.
Such a mission might be of interest to the Klingons.
From Memory Alpha:
The Vulcanian expedition was an unspecified Starfleet mission conducted during the mid-23rd century.James T. Kirk served on the expedition, along with Timothy. (TOS: "Court Martial")
As Vulcanian was used as an alternative term for a Vulcan, it is probable this had something to do with the Vulcans, or their planet.
The date of the expedition can be narrowed down to a some time between Kirk's graduation in 2254 and2267, since Kirk mentioned having last seen Timothy then, but having not seen others since his Academy graduation.
If it involves traversing their space? Absolutely.
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