TDK was 8 years ago, and at this point it's looking like Nolan's films were a fluke in terms of WB/DC being able to construct winning franchises from DC properties. Who they've got now is Zack Snyder, and he ain't no Nolan.
I do not like MCU films
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TDK was 8 years ago, and at this point it's looking like Nolan's films were a fluke in terms of WB/DC being able to construct winning franchises from DC properties. Who they've got now is Zack Snyder, and he ain't no Nolan.
Zack Snyder isn't the biggest problem. The biggest problem is the studio playing catch-up and trying to build the same kind of universe in three years that Marvel spent a decade planning and creating. I submit that no director or producer could make something perfect under those conditions. Suicide Squad wasn't directed by Snyder, yet same problems as BvS.
WB is most of the problem. They hire directors with a vision like Ayers, then they re-edit the movie when they don't think that vision is marketable. They're trying to lead from behind and doing a terrible job at it. Suicide Squad got ruined because WB saw how good Guardians of the Galaxy and Deadpool did, then tried to turn a nearly finished film into a combination of those two movies.
http://collider.com/suicide-squad-deleted-scenes-jared-leto-david-ayer/
https://twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/760563205068431360
Between Ayer's own words and an anonymous source, I trust Ayer more when he says this is his vision.
That doesn't fill me with confidence...
Separate yet related points.
MCU films have aggressive schedules, too, but are consistently of higher quality, so I don't think that's the issue.
Is it studio meddling? WB seems to stick their hands in the pot a lot more than Marvel does (indeed, Marvel Studios don't take direction from Disney/Marvel Comics at all, as I understand it).
I will say that I don't think David Ayer is very good. I'm not sure where his positive reputation comes from--dude seems to have built a career out of movies that celebrate toxic masculinity and excessive violence, and his direction is adequate at best, not great.
Ayer would no doubt like to get future work and will therefore not badmouth WB. He would have nothing to gain (and quite a bit to lose) by confirming reports that the cut chosen for release wasn't his original vision.
It will be interesting to see if a substantially different director's cut emerges someday.
He already has a movie lined up(and it's not with WB).
He doesn't have to badmouth them, he could just shut up and not say anything.
But what he is saying is that it's his movie and that he's proud of it.
So why not believe him, why come up with these paranoid theories?
The difference is Marvel's schedule was set with long-term concrete goals in mind, so the movie makers following them knew what they were getting into. DC/WB saw the results, peed themselves and keep screaming at their movie-makers "Do this and do it NOW!!!!!"
That doesn't mean there is no studio direction from Marvel. It's just that the guy doing the directing - Kevin Feige - has already laid out the overall plan and had enough time to let the movie makers meet it. WB is doing things half-assed and making stupid creative decisions.
It might be risky, if they actually did that. Unfortunately they are fighting over bucky the whole time, and if you blink you miss the philosophical divide because they barely go into it. A dull airport fight where no one wants to hurt eachother, and a climactic fight which has absolutely zero to do with anything. A complete let down which I don't know how people can excuse when considering the potential of the story.
Batman and Superman bringing up their parents makes sense. The climactic fight in the Civil War being about Tony's parents is just stupid...
Why?
Obviously, because there's no deep connection between Tony and Bucky over the name MARTHA!!!
Because they set up this philosophical divide, and do absolutely nothing with it, instead bringing up his parents randomly.
I thought they set it up rather well. Tony's first scene is the flashback/memory recreation of the last time he saw them. Then we learn as the movie goes on that the Winter Soldier killed them, something that was hinted at in Winter Soldier. The final fight is really a combination of Steve lying to Tony and trying to keep him from knowing the Bucky killed his parents to protect Bucky. If your supposed friend, a person who you depended on and trusted with your life, was not only aware of who killed your parent but was trying to protect them from you. Would you just let it slide?
It's really more about his mom than his dad, he had rough relationship with him. But he loved his mom.
Tony's reaction was fine. Zemo's "master plan" that somehow predicted everyone of the Avengers' actions, reactions and where they would be (he had the video all set to go on a monitor in Siberia, somehow knowing Tony and Steve would be there to find it?) is what bugged me most about Civil War. Zemo and Luthor's plans were both unbelievable in how they were all executed.
So enjoy.
That was one of, if not the best fight I've seen. But if you thought it was dull, you're not wrong, because your thought are yours, but my thoughts were much different.
So why does that scene make sense to be what Cap and Iron Man are fighting in their best fight in Civil War? it's an example of how the movie squanders a great concept. They're not even fighting over their different beliefs. It should have been called Captain America: Bucky's War and not pretended to be about anything else...
What, you're upset that they didn't resolve the Accords thing in a neat little package? That's not how continuing Universes work.
And yes, Bucky tied into their different beliefs. Tony thinks they need oversight and to be held in check, which is why he goes along with the "Don't question the Government, they say to kill Bucky so we can't interfere." while Steve doesn't think this is a good idea due to conflicting agendas of the people they'll report to.