An endless source of curiosity and fascination, as proven by the fact that this book has been a steady seller for Tor for years and years now:
https://www.amazon.com/How-Do-You-Bathroom-Space/dp/031287295X
Fundamentally Important Aspects of ST Even Fans Misunderstand
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An endless source of curiosity and fascination, as proven by the fact that this book has been a steady seller for Tor for years and years now:
https://www.amazon.com/How-Do-You-Bathroom-Space/dp/031287295X
I thought TheGoodStuff's tone was a bit condescending, so I decided not to respond.
Using the restroom is a fundamental human activity, one that is engaged in more regularly and universally than eating or sexual relations, yet is depicted in fiction far less than either.
I didn't get that at all. I think he's right on target.
There's a faulty premise here. Sure it can lead to good discussion and there's nothing wrong with that. But the assumption that the reason people disagree is because some of them "don't understand" is old and tired. I understand just fine. I may not agree. That's different.
Art is like a Rorschach Test. We fill in the blanks with our own stuff. Nothing wrong with that either.
Carry on.
But, unlike eating or having sex, it's not really a social activity, so it doesn't really lend itself to drama.
The world is full of poems and songs and novels and movies about sexual desire, unrequited or otherwise, but nobody has ever written an epic tragedy about constipation!
And hunger, lust, and jealousy make better motivators in fiction than an urgent desire to empty one's bladder.
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There is a difference between opinion and fact. I don't mean to be rude. I know you know that. I was referring more to facts that even diehards get wrong on a regular basis. Not events that are open to subjective evaluations.I didn't get that at all. I think he's right on target.
There's a faulty premise here. Sure it can lead to good discussion and there's nothing wrong with that. But the assumption that the reason people disagree is because some of them "don't understand" is old and tired. I understand just fine. I may not agree. That's different.
Art is like a Rorschach Test. We fill in the blanks with our own stuff. Nothing wrong with that either.
Carry on.
Not intentionally (during TOS). I've read that when they did Trouble With Tribbles and failed to apply the swarthy Mongol look to William Campbell, the makeup man claimed to have forgotten how he did the previous Klingons. After TOS, of course, they went a whole different direction.
One of the points I was making was that no, this is not a discussion thread. This is a: "tell others why they are wrong" thread.
I didn't get that at all. I think he's right on target.
There's a faulty premise here. Sure it can lead to good discussion and there's nothing wrong with that. But the assumption that the reason people disagree is because some of them "don't understand" is old and tired. I understand just fine. I may not agree. That's different.
Art is like a Rorschach Test. We fill in the blanks with our own stuff. Nothing wrong with that either.
Carry on.
I appreciate the support.
So far according to this thread ST isn't communist/socialist, Starfleet is/isn't a military, ST isn't a utopia, money does/doesn't exist and anyone who thinks differently just isn't understanding ST.
As said, there is a faulty premise in this thread that is wholly dogmatic and exclusive.
If it bothers you so much, there are dozens of other threads to participate in.
I think it is far more constructive to highlight when something is misguided/unfair/wrong etc than to just ignore it as you suggest.
I am amused that this thread appears to be based upon some premise that there is a fundamentally 'correct' way to interpret ST [which the OP seems to hold the keys to], which is [somehow] crucial to a "basic understanding" of ST.
This thread alone is full of people claiming fundamentally opposing views on these 'basic' things that need to be understood.
[We have the: Starfleet IS a military/Starfleet is NOT a military, Moneey exists in ST/Money doesn't exists in ST etc]
I am unconvinced it is the role of any fan to determine what are 'fundamentally important aspects' of the entire franchise that all others must adhere to. That "...crucial to a basic understanding of ST..." seems dangerously dogmatic in my eyes. All it does is welcome people to post opinions and portray them as facts.
On an unrelated note, what does "1. ST is not a utopia. It presents a hopeful future where most of today's problems have been resolved and humanity has evolved to tackle other problems." actually mean?
"ST is not a utopia"...do you mean Earth? The Federation?
Have you ever thought that some of us are responding to dogmatic people? Let's start with my previous post: the self-anointed canon police who think the Suliban and Xindi violate continuity since they're not mentioned again. I'll be blunt: people with that opinion have fundamental misunderstanding of how history works. They're anal based on a faulty premise. We'd all like to think important things would be discussed in the future but that doesn't always happen. Important people go unrecognized for stupid reasons all the time.
Perhaps "Star Trek" isn't real, but "Deep Space Nine" certainly is. When in doubt, ask Benny Russell
Why do you care so much?
That's interesting, as I've heard the same in regards to Yvonne Craig's Orion Slave Girl -- the makeup artists had forgotten how they'd achieved the shade of green they used on Susan Oliver in "The Cage." I guess they either didn't count on those alien races repeating, or else they were in too much of a rush to keep extensive notes on that sort of thing.
Perhaps "Star Trek" isn't real, but "Deep Space Nine" certainly is. When in doubt, ask Benny Russell
It's just a TV show, you should really just relax.
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