Are you satisfied with Krall's agenda?

[Norsehound]

I found Krall's reasoning a little more interesting than Nero or Khan's, especially since it is rooted in Star Trek canon. Rather than a simple act of revenge or mayhem, Edison's reasons for turning bad are more drawn out and more complicated than simply, "They have my family/ they destroyed my planet!" Edison's grievances force discussion, like what could the Federation have done differently for war veterans like him? Is Edison perhaps right? It's easy to dismiss him as yet another crazed ex-federation captain with a super weapon... but more than the other two villains so far, Edison evokes far more thought.

It isn't a stretch for me either to imagine Edison's fall. Waking up every morning to realize not only will you never see home again, but your superiors threw you away simply for defending earth, is a hardening realization. His anger was probably built for years when he finally discovered the super weapon, and honed a plan that came to fruition once the Magellan probes entered his space.

 

[intrinsical]

Weird, I get a totally different perspective.

Edison comes from an era where there was no Federation and there were human factions like Terra Prime who were fighting for humanity's independence from meddling Vulcans and other alien species. Rather than just be a cog in the United Federation of Planets, Edison feels humanity is stronger on it's own. Edison's goal was to break apart the Federation so that Humanity can chart their own independent way through the stars.

Krall's use of autonomous drone ships was the perfect analogy of his model for Humanity. Humans should be in control of our own destiny, and alien stuff should be subservient to Humanity.

 

[EmoBorg]

I found Krall as a bad villain played by a good actor. His motivation to attack the Federation was weak. Earth is stronger by being part of the Federation. He mentioned fighting the Romulans and the Xindi. They are not Federation members. At least Nero attacked the traditional enemies of his people.


Krall's action is just like a deranged Brit or American blowing up a new NATO base just because he felt he cannot trust some of the members states of the NATO. Makes no sense at all.

I suspect Krall, Manas and Kalara might have gone mad from using the alien device to prolong their lives. Their madness might have caused them to seek vengence against the Federation.

 

[anh165]

I found Krall as a bad villain played by a good actor. His motivation to attack the Federation was weak. Earth is stronger by being part of the Federation. He mentioned fighting the Romulans and the Xindi. They are not Federation members. At least Nero attacked the traditional enemies of his people.

I don't re-call that Krall wanted to end the Federation, he had a serious problem with the Federation's desire to expand. Also he was disgusted by the concept of "unity".

The fact that they politically reach out to other races for peace & co-operation with them, yet they fail to take care of their own - such as Edison & his crew who were lost or stranded afar. They would not have been in that situation if it wasn't for the Federation's constant desire to expand and explore.

Targeting Earth would have unsettled the Federation for sure, yet if destroying their furthest and most advanced outpost does more in the context of diminishing Federation presence in space.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't re-call that Krall wanted to end the Federation, he had a serious problem with the Federation's desire to expand. Also he was disgusted by the concept of "unity".

The Federation may (and indeed must) expand, and the very concept is dependent on the idea of unity. Without those, there can be no Federation; logically, then, anyone who wishes to destroy unity must also be anti-Federation.

 

[Terok Nor]

Krall was an appalling villain. Easily the worst movie villain to date. His motivations were absurd. However he looked cool and his swarm also looked good. It says a lot about Beyond that the villain sucked so hard but I still enjoyed the story. The heroes more than made up for the lacklustre lead villain - especially Jaylah!

 

[Norsehound]

Krall may have stayed his hand if he found that the federation comprised of races subservient to humans. Equality suggested to him that humanity was no longer exemplary, and so, was weak. Through an interstellar war humans would rise to the challenge as they had in the xindi and romulan wars.

 

[DonIago]

Krall was an appalling villain. Easily the worst movie villain to date.

Really? Worse than Shinzon, or He-of-the-Ever-Shifting-Objectives?

 

[Terok Nor]

Really? Worse than Shinzon, or He-of-the-Ever-Shifting-Objectives?

About equal with Shinzon. Both were paper thin. Who is He-of-the-Ever-Shifting-Objectives?

 

[Kemaiku]

About equal with Shinzon. Both were paper thin. Who is He-of-the-Ever-Shifting-Objectives?

Either Nero or Khan, who had hard to pin down end goals. Or once they had achieved one, suddenly envisioned another they had apparently always been going to do but never mentioned them.

 

[Relayer1]

The motivation or execution didn't hold up for me.

Forced and unconvincing. Kind of 'Martha'...

 

[Terok Nor]

Either Nero or Khan, who had hard to pin down end goals. Or once they had achieved one, suddenly envisioned another they had apparently always been going to do but never mentioned them.

That's true. Nero was a bit crap too come to think of it. "Khan" is better best forgotten. None of the KelvinVerse villains have been anything to write home about but then neither were most of the TNG movie villains

 

[Kemaiku]

They've existed to move the story along and give us all the character moments with the new crew, as much as old movie villains to thrust the crews we already knew out of their comfort zones or shake up their lives.

Which for the new movie was difficult, as it was introducing them and showing how they were different at the same time, the balance was very tough to get right.

Into Darkness tried to introduce new facets to them from too many directions at once and didn't focus on them very well.

Beyond managed to nail it far far better, and in the end Krall had some of the most simple motivations that were the most easily dealt with. So we can smooth over him a lot more easily than the last two, who had repurcussions outreaching their actual importance and making the story weaker for it.

But, Khan is on ice and can be worked into a story again with the right script. Not holding my breath for that one.

 

[Makarov]

Krall just acted like a monster of the week so there wasn't much to think about or empathize with other than stopping him, and his perspectives towards the federation aren't explored at all. There aren't even any lines from him that I remember, unlike Khan/Nero. I'd rank him on the level of.. the bad guy from Insurrection. But even the insurrection guy's intentions made a little more sense.