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Spock promotes Magnavision

tomswift2002

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I don't know if anyone's seen this, but in 1981 Leonard Nimoy was a spokesperson for Magnavox and their Magnavision line of Laserdisc/Discovision players.

I just ran across this on YouTube, and does he ever sound like he's playing Spock:

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Fascinating what we use to think of as high-tech. Imagine playing a Blu-Ray disc on a CRT television. It would be pointless.
 
Laserdics were so expensive. When I think back to how many I purchased, it was like a small fortune, especially with the special editions, or double disc versions.

The Magnovox promotional has its sci-fi all mixed up: they had Nimoy doing "Spock-light," but the glowing rock sound effect was trying hard to be R2-D2.
 
Fascinating what we use to think of as high-tech. Imagine playing a Blu-Ray disc on a CRT television. It would be pointless.

If you watch the video , at one point Nimoy mentions about hooking the machine up by one cable cord. Of course you could only get mono sound that way, but it's kind of like what we now have with HDMI.

But I'm surprised that he didn't mention that a Laserdisc was about 12 times heavier than a conventional record. As far as I can recall, I've never seen video off a Laserdisc, but this video doesn't look like it came from a Laserdisc. Looks like it might've come from a Betamax copy of a Laserdisc.
 
Fascinating what we use to think of as high-tech. Imagine playing a Blu-Ray disc on a CRT television. It would be pointless.
Not pointless if that's the only available recording, and the only available display device, any more than it would be pointless to watch a Blu-Ray on a 7-inch portable player, if that's what's available.

What's pointless is discarding perfectly serviceable technology just because it isn't current.
 
The fun part is realizing that the video laserdisc was developed because laserdiscs had been developed for music and sold like raw sewage. No one wanted the collected symphonies of Beethoven on one disc. When the developers asked Arthur Fiedler what they could do to market them, he said "Make the medium fit what people want. Make your disc just large enough to hold the complete recording of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony." And thus the CD was born.

Someone else in the office asked what they intended to do with the laserdisc, and they told him if he could come up with something, it was his baby to do whatever he wanted. And that's how movies on laserdisc were born.

Mind you, the Arthur Fiedler bit is much closer to the actual conversation, so if you find either one unbelievable, you can track whichever source you want for precision.
 
Laserdics were so expensive. When I think back to how many I purchased, it was like a small fortune, especially with the special editions, or double disc versions.
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There was a period wherein laserdiscs of movies cost considerably less than prerecorded Beta or VHS releases. New movies on tape were usually $70-80, but only $20-30 on disc (something like that anyway). At that point, investing in an LD player may have looked like a good deal.

When Paramount offered TMP and TWOK on tape at $40 each, it was considered a bargain. However, before too long, the VHS prices dropped drastically, and the LDs were no longer such a great deal.
 
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But I'm surprised that he didn't mention that a Laserdisc was about 12 times heavier than a conventional record.

A regular production consumer laserdisc was perhaps twice the weight of a contemporary vinyl LP of the day, and about the same as some of the audiophile-grade vinyl manufactured today.
As far as I can recall, I've never seen video off a Laserdisc, but this video doesn't look like it came from a Laserdisc. Looks like it might've come from a Betamax copy of a Laserdisc.

Early laserdiscs like this were barely better than VHS in terms of picture quality; any possible gains in resolution were offset by video noise and manufacturing defects. Early pressings like this were not up to the quality of the format at its peak in the mid-to-late '90s which could look excellent for the time.

This video appears to have come from a consumer videotape copy of the original disc; the tracking lines at the bottom of the image were not present on the original disc. Still that's a decent copy; most copies of that particular disc showed heavy video dropout artifacts ("speckling") due to manufacturing defects and "laser rot".
Laserdiscs existed in 1981?!?! TIL

Actually they first hit the market in 1978.
The fun part is realizing that the video laserdisc was developed because laserdiscs had been developed for music and sold like raw sewage.

I've never heard of this story. The video laserdisc (as opposed to the audio Compact Disc, which arrived several years later) was developed jointly by Pioneer and MCA as a versatile home video format and marketed under the name "DiscoVision," and although music was one application (the stereo audio tracks were FM analog until 1985 when PCM digital audio arrived on the format) the primary purpose was distribution of television and filmed content. When it debuted in 1978 the market for consumer video tape formats (mainly VHS and Betamax) and prerecorded home video content was virtually nonexistent; DiscoVision was to be a primary means for MCA and other content owners to directly distribute their library content. Contrary to popular belief, the lack of recording capability was not what hampered laserdisc the most; initially it was lack of available content primarily due to manufacturing problems that really weren't ironed out until the mid-'80s, by which time VHS and Betamax had a firm hold on the prerecorded video market and laserdisc was relegated to a videophile format.

Not a laserdisc.
 
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There was a period wherein laserdiscs of movies cost considerably less than prerecorded Beta or VHS releases. New movies on tape were usually $70-80, but only $20-30 on disc (something like that anyway). At that point, investing in an LD player may have looked like a good deal.

It depended on title; certain VHS or Beta movies were indeed very expensive. For example, I remember the first home video release of Star Wars running $120, but other, less "prestigious" movies were usually in the $29 range, so it was easy to build a Beta or VHS library. On the other hand, one of the early releases of Bond movies on laserdisc were easily in the $80 range, and if I recall, they did not have extras, other than one trailer, so if budget was a concern, you had to pick that favorite Bond film carefully, because you would have to enjoy that one for some time.
 
I had a 32 inch sony 1080i CRT HDTV from 2004-2013, in USA

Nice picture and looked beautiful with Bluray
 
The fun part is realizing that the video laserdisc was developed because laserdiscs had been developed for music and sold like raw sewage.
Actually, no. The laserdisc was developed as a video medium. And video discs (both laser and capacitance) never achieved good market penetration because (1) capacitance videodiscs, although they didn't mechanically move the stylus like a phondisc, were a contact medium, with a physical needle, subject to wear, and they were so delicate that handling them directly would destroy them (much like touching the surface of a floppy disk), and (2) early laserdiscs had production problems like air leaks that caused the aluminum plating to deteriorate (something that still occasionally happens with CDs and DVDs). It was not for lack of trying, though: videotape has to be recorded in real time, which gives home off-air taping the advantage over mass-production plants, whereas until CD-R and DVD-R media were developed, there was no practical home disc recording system (yes, there were home phonodisc lathes at various times over the past century; one even appeared in a Marx Bros. movie; there were also phonodisc-based dictating machines).

The concept of a videodisc actually goes back to the 1920s, when television was a laboratory curiosity, and scanning was an optomechanical process involving a Nipkow Disk. Baird, who had developed the leading Nipkow-disk-based television system, also reached a proof-of-concept on what he called "Phonovision." But by the time Zworykin, Farnsworth, and others had developed a workable all-electronic television system in the 1930s, magnetic tape had already been developed as a recording medium, and by the time commercial television broadcasting began in the late 1940s, videotape was already on the way, and in the mid-1950s, Ampex had developed the 2" Quad system that was the broadcast standard until well into the 1980s.

The idea of a videodisc didn't come back until Philips, MCA, and Pioneer developed the analog laser disk as a video medium in 1978, and RCA and JVC developed capacitance-based systems in the early 1980s. But these systems were developed strictly for video recording: we already had two time-tested analog audio recording systems (the phonodisc and magnetic tape), and while digital audio was being used to eliminate generation loss in session tapes and mastering, it wasn't considered practical for consumer use. Moreover, at the time, laser diodes that could run continuously for long periods without burning out had not been developed; as I recall, the early LaserVision players used HeNe lasers. It was only after digital audio equipment (including adapters for recording digital audio on VHS tape) became available at high-end consumer prices that anybody began seriously considering a laser optical medium for consumer digital audio.

I've never heard of Arthur Fiedler being involved in the decision of making the CD just long enough to hold a complete recording of Beethoven's 9th, but the idea of that piece being the reason for the length specification has been around long enough that it may very well be true.
 
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Only in Japan, right? Or did they make it to the US and/or Europe?
As long as you had a player that could read the format, you were fine and Pioneer made a very good multi-format player. I was heavily into Japanese Anime fandom in the late 1980ies to mid 1990ies - and the Japanese REALLY took to the Laserdisc format. The disc themselves were VERY expensive - (usually $100 - $120 and this was circa 1990) - for about 2 hours of content.

I had about 30 or so back in the day.:eek:
 
Early laserdiscs like this were barely better than VHS in terms of picture quality; any possible gains in resolution were offset by video noise and manufacturing defects. Early pressings like this were not up to the quality of the format at its peak in the mid-to-late '90s which could look excellent for the time.

This video appears to have come from a consumer videotape copy of the original disc; the tracking lines at the bottom of the image were not present on the original disc. Still that's a decent copy; most copies of that particular disc showed heavy video dropout artifacts ("speckling") due to manufacturing defects and "laser rot".

Well, prior to 1985 and the introduction of the CCD chip, barely anything from film looked good on videotape. If you want to see what pre-1985 transfers look like on DVD, check out the Hardy Boys Season 3 DVD from Shout Factory/Universal (not to mention the episodes are all syndication cuts from 16mm syndication film that was put on U-Matic back around 1979/80; I'm not blaming Shout for this, it is all Universal for wanting more money for better transfers). So to say that Laserdisc and VHS looked about the same in the late-70's/early-80's is probably about accurate.

As to the video on YouTube, yeah it looks like it probably came from a VHS SP copy which is surprising, considering most people recorded in SLP back then.
 
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