yep, there were three survivors: Krall, this guy manas/menace, and the woman who lured the enterprise into the nebula, the one that got smashed by the saucer section. All others were part of the drone force they digged up
Are you satisfied with Krall's agenda?
- Thread starter Mountie1988
- Start date
yep, there were three survivors: Krall, this guy manas/menace, and the woman who lured the enterprise into the nebula, the one that got smashed by the saucer section. All others were part of the drone force they digged up
Thing is, Edison nursed this kind of unfocused grudge against modernity for more than a century, apparently developing a pretty complex scheme aimed at mass destruction despite the fact that surviving on that planet and through his constant changes must have presented far more immediate and engaging concerns on a daily basis.
That didn't seem especially truthful.
That didn't seem especially truthful.
i got this from memory alpha. But it seems right, there were only three characters and she could have mutated as much as krall, sucking life power from passing spacecraft. Strangely noone looked like a skunk.
But lying to oneself is a likely outcome when one has to give up pretty fundamental principles and pretend that it's a good thing. When Edison turned cannibal, he had to find somebody else to blame. So that part rings true to me at least.
Krall had this fancy spinning thing in his arm that seemed related to the longevity cure - and also this whole shifting and constricting costume. The woman had none of that, not even underneath (or the Yorktown folks would have commented on it).
Might be Edison had a woman looking like that in his Franklin crew to begin with, of course. The longevity cure does allow for the user to restore his or her original looks, as we see with Edison...
You didn't notice this woman who spoke quite a lot with Scotty and had a fight scene and all?!
Timo Saloniemi
Was it modernity or "peace" and "softness"? I think it was more the latter - he hated the Federation because what was left of his addled mind only remembered the pain and deprivation he suffered due to the Federation's "neglect" and "disloyalty" that came from embracing "peace" and "unity". There is no indication as to when he started developing his scheme and how long he had been planning the specific method of revenge.
...Other perhaps than the fact that he shouts revenge in his final log as Franklin CO already.
That is, he perhaps wouldn't know about the convenient bioweapon yet, but being stranded on the planet long enough to starve would probably have exposed him to the local undying slave race already, and at least allowed him to develop the scheme where he unleashes that force against his former home.
Timo Saloniemi
That is, he perhaps wouldn't know about the convenient bioweapon yet, but being stranded on the planet long enough to starve would probably have exposed him to the local undying slave race already, and at least allowed him to develop the scheme where he unleashes that force against his former home.
Timo Saloniemi
I found it a little thin. You could say since his mutation explains his rage which basically makes him into a really one dimensional (and uninteresting) killing machine. If he can still think and reason I would think he would want to start a war between the Federation and some other race like the Klingons, and let the stronger race win. Then the Federation would have proved (to him) it's worthiness to exist. Just blind revenge is a bit shallow. I guess it a bit better than Shinzon, at least Krall is attacking the actual people who "wronged" him.
I loved that Krall's backstory tied into Trek canon and referenced the bits of Enterprise I liked. That said, IMO he's the weakest of the three modern Trek villains. He didn't have the sympathetic bent that Nero and Khan did.
Utterly unsympathetic villains do have a quality of their own, but there can still be complexity even within total despicability. Krall didn't have much in the way of such complexity. Then again, he did look like a force of nature, in close-up and in fleet action alike... And we all love the Borg for their force-of-natureness, right?
At least when Krall had his obligatory "I'm a total monster" scene where he sucks dry those two crewmen, this was a major plot-relevant point. Shinzon's desire to mind-rape Deanna Troi was not motivated in itself, and turning it into a plot point later on in the movie was just piling on the implausibility, then.
Timo Saloniemi
At least when Krall had his obligatory "I'm a total monster" scene where he sucks dry those two crewmen, this was a major plot-relevant point. Shinzon's desire to mind-rape Deanna Troi was not motivated in itself, and turning it into a plot point later on in the movie was just piling on the implausibility, then.
Timo Saloniemi
I think it's a fine motivation, it's just executed poorly. The moment they revealed the ship and he drains those people it's fairly obvious. Yet they wait till later and do an info dump to explain it to the audience. The moment where he looks at his reflection is a nice moment where the plot might have reached another level, but then it just goes right back to punching each other in the face. Say what you will about Shinzon but at least they revealed what he was early on, and then tried to explore with Picard's interactions a little bit.
I'm not sure we saw the same movie. I watched it this morning and kept waiting for this non-stop action blitz that some are complaining about, and it never materialized.
No.
Maybe I'm being too simplistic, but he's the crazy vet who can't adapt to peace, isn't it? Only this guy has a space station destroying weapon.
I'd like to see a Star Trek movie with NO bad guy. (You can still have lots of conflict, drama, and danger, right?) Maybe a rescue mission? A giant space amoeba?
Barring that I'd like to see a Star Trek movie where the bad guy has no affiliation with Starfleet. Please?
Maybe I'm being too simplistic, but he's the crazy vet who can't adapt to peace, isn't it? Only this guy has a space station destroying weapon.
I'd like to see a Star Trek movie with NO bad guy. (You can still have lots of conflict, drama, and danger, right?) Maybe a rescue mission? A giant space amoeba?
Barring that I'd like to see a Star Trek movie where the bad guy has no affiliation with Starfleet. Please?
As long as the movies remain action flicks there's always going to be a villain. Even the two Trek movies which don't have villains still have Earth being threatened, by a giant probe both times.
I find it extremely likely that Edison was affiliated with the Terra Prime movement back on Earth.
Maybe its my obsession with broken characters... but I really liked his motivations. Sure its a bit tropey but I can deal with that thanks to the piles of references to ENT.
Though I don't necessarily think he wanted to destroy the UFP - more force it to become a warring civilisation as United Earth was during the Xindi and Romulan wars. I think he'd probably be quite happy if they responded to the destruction of Yorktown by arming up and going to war again.
Though I don't necessarily think he wanted to destroy the UFP - more force it to become a warring civilisation as United Earth was during the Xindi and Romulan wars. I think he'd probably be quite happy if they responded to the destruction of Yorktown by arming up and going to war again.
he kinda remind me of ru'afo from Insurrection except I like Krall/Edison better.
I don't think Krall was implemented well, I liked the concept of him, It's not anything new....even Star Trek has explored the very same concept and done it better....I can't remember the name of that next gen episode, but it was about this alien race that had recently fought a war using super soldiers, then had them locked up on a moon or something because they wouldn't fit in with the new peaceful society, the enterprise arrives, the soldiers bust out of jail, and havoc ensues, with the Enterprise being caught in the middle, (and a bunch of people gunned down if I'm not mistaken).....I haven't seen that one since the early 90's. but it was a pretty interesting ep. I think Krall would have been more interesting if he had still looked human...and not only that but he was recognized and remembered as a Hero by Kirk and Crew(and the whole of the same Federation he hated)...."But I read about your Missions in the Academy! You wrote the book on "X"! It could have been REALLY interesting if half of the film had consisted of Flashback sequences, Detailing Kralls (Who never adopts the name "Krall" and uses his real name instead) Crashing on the planet, grappling with his own psyche.....Coming to the conclusion that Humantity has moved on without him....therefore he is no longer human....and renouncing the federation....Have a power struggle between the "old " breed and the "new" breed in his crew....show him discovering the Swarm/Life draining Tech in the film.......you could still have the "present" of the film focus on the Enterprise and Jayla....but it would jump back and forth....as Kirk and co start piecing together "WTF happened here?" on the planet.....just my suggestion. In short, I think Krall had the potential to be an Amazing Star Trek villain that could have been very compelling...easily the best out of the 3 J.J. films....ut it just wasn't fully realized.....I loved Jayla Though.