Yeah, whatever...Those scenes were embarrassing. By no means did I hate this movie, I just don't want to see Star Trek become the Fast + the Furious or Transformers...Star Trek is better than that. I expect more.
Spoilers BEYOND in your new personal film rankings?
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Yeah, whatever...Those scenes were embarrassing. By no means did I hate this movie, I just don't want to see Star Trek become the Fast + the Furious or Transformers...Star Trek is better than that. I expect more.
My rankings shift around quite a lot, I'm sure last time I had TUC at the top, but at the moment:
1. TVH
2. TWoK
3. TUC
4. TMP
5. '09
6. BEY
7. TSfS
8. ID
9. FC
10. TFF
11. GEN
1. TVH
2. TWoK
3. TUC
4. TMP
5. '09
6. BEY
7. TSfS
8. ID
9. FC
10. TFF
11. GEN
For me, having seen it yesterday, here's my ranking:
- Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan (10/10)
- Star Trek Beyond (9/10)
- Star Trek - First Contact (9/10)
- Star Trek III - The Search for Spock (9/10)
- Star Trek 09 (8/10)
- Star Trek - The Motion Picture (8/10)
- Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country (7/10)
- Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home (7/10)
- Star Trek V - The Final Frontier (6/10)
- Star Trek - Generations (5/10)
- Star Trek - Insurrection (5/10)
- Star Trek Into Darkness (3/10)
- Star Trek - Nemesis (2/10)
1 TWOK
2 TSFS
3 FC
4 TMP
5 Beyond
6 TVH
The others don't really rate a ranking IMO.
2 TSFS
3 FC
4 TMP
5 Beyond
6 TVH
The others don't really rate a ranking IMO.
Too soon for me to rank. Probably top 5.
I'm not sure what movie you were watching. I had no issue keeping up with it and it didn't remind me at all of the Fast & Furious movies.
The Gilbert & Sullivan scene was the only part of Insurrection that I remember fondly.
I'm not sure what movie you were watching. I had no issue keeping up with it and it didn't remind me at all of the Fast & Furious movies.
At least it wasn't Gilbert & Sullivan again!
The Gilbert & Sullivan scene was the only part of Insurrection that I remember fondly.
- Star Trek VIII - First Contact
- Star Trek II - The Wrath Of Khan
- Star Trek XIII - Beyond
- Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country
- Star Trek IV - The Voyage Home
- Star Trek XI - 2009
- Star Trek III - The Search For Spock
- Star Trek VII - Generations
- Star Trek X - Nemesis
- Star Trek XII - Into Darkness
- Star Trek IX - Insurrection
- Star Trek I - The Motion Picture
- Star Trek V - The Final Frontier
First-view, gut-feeling is definitely top five, maybe better. Perhaps like so:
1. The Wrath of Khan
2. First Contact
3. The Undiscovered Country
4. Beyond
5. Star Trek '09
6. The Voyage Home
7. Insurrection
8. Into Darkness
9. Generations
10. The Final Frontier
11. The Search for Spock
12. The Motion Picture
13. Nemesis
1. The Wrath of Khan
2. First Contact
3. The Undiscovered Country
4. Beyond
5. Star Trek '09
6. The Voyage Home
7. Insurrection
8. Into Darkness
9. Generations
10. The Final Frontier
11. The Search for Spock
12. The Motion Picture
13. Nemesis
I'll probably have to rewatch it, but right now, it's in the top five.
If you were to split it down by cast, it'd make the top three.
If you were to split it down by cast, it'd make the top three.
Not really. Rap is a huge part of our musical history. Public Enemy is easily one of the most classic bands in all of hip hop and Fight the Power is probably one of there most well known songs.
Sabotage isn't what I'd call rap. It's more punk.
Wouldn't using the most popular band to ever exist be appealing to the lowest common denominator?
I'd put Beyond in my upper tier along with WOK, TUC and FC right now...I need to see it again...it was the best of the Kelvin films by far and I love 2009 and don't despise ID. Granted, I watched part of ID on television last night and it suffers in comparison to Beyond now that I've seen it...
I would be the first in line to watch Star Trek: Beyonce!
1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
I sometimes sit in wonder of how all the different elements--Kirk's journey to find purpose again (Life from Death), Genesis and Khan being creations of science that were weaponized, the Kobiashi Maru and showing how a Starfleet officer is made by showing Kirk and crew as teachers, the relationship that blossomed after 20 years together between Kirk and Spock, how both Kirk and Spock approach death from different angles--are all tied together by the end of the movie. This is the magnum opus of Star Trek films.
2. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
This is imaginative, to say the least. Not only did we manage to have an enemy that was just misguided, instead of bent on revenge (as every movie with a humanoid would be from II on), but we learn something about ourselves. "We create God in our own image." When we reach true self-awareness, we turn to a loved on and say "Is this all that there is? Is there nothing more?" Star Trek told a story that was unique to its own universe. At its best, Star Trek is the wonderment of what we would find in space, and using that as a prism for the human journey, adventure. This is a wonderful movie and one I will watch over and over again.
3. Star Trek: Insurrection
This was the best of the TNG films. It is a better script than its director. It doesn't deal with the Klingons or the Romulans. The Dominion War is over, at least on-hold, for the time being. The way of life Picard and company have been defending with their phasers and Quantum Torpedoes, is what they long to return to. "Can anyone remember when we used to be explorers?" This creates two, if not three, unique cultures to explore--the Bak'u and the Son'a--and if its director and marketing had let it happen, the mystery wouldn't have been so obvious to the audience. It's the 24th-century morality play. We are explorers and now we want to destroy a culture for a natural resource. We just got done destroying a external existential threat to our culture, and now we are being destroyed from within. It allows us to see ourselves as immortals--30 years we apprentice, perhaps be forget to review what happened yesterday, what happens today, and live in the moment. It's a great movie in this regard, that it gives us something to chew on. Now, Riker with a joystick on the bridge and Ru'afo bent on revenge make the 3rd act all but unwatchable. But the true Trek of it all, makes this one of my favorites.
4. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Playing out how Kirk approaches life and contrasting it with II's Spock, is the greatness of this film. Kruge makes me want to turn it off. Not my favorite, but ultimately, a watchable movie.
5. Star Trek Beyond
6. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Not the Klingons we have come to know, but until Chang twirls his mustache, it is a tremendous movie, using politics of the time as a backdrop for our heroes. It's a sentimental favorite.
7. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
I don't like the ending. It drives me nuts. All of Kirk's sacrifices for saving Spock, gone. And they lived happily ever after...no consequences for Kirk for his behavior, and that is, indeed, a bad way to go. But as long as our seven crew members are alive and on the Enterprise at the end of the film, and ride off into the sunset together, everyone will be happy and applaud. Too much humor in this one, for my taste.
8. Star Trek Nemesis
Shinzon is a good starting point, but he's too dark to relate to. He rapes. He wants to touch Deanna's hair. He has a predator ship. And then Picard is seduced because of one dinner and the promise of peace? I hate that. But the scene in the Ready Room, the scene in Stellar Cartography, is about the only thing I like about it. It has a good vocabulary, the script. It gets the characters right.
9. Star Trek (2009)
The movie has some very flimsy plotting--the entire Delta Vega sequence and getting back aboard the Enterprise, Prime Spock giving the equation to Scotty and Kirk assuming command are like nails on a chalkboard when I see it, Kirk goes from Cadet to Captain overnight because of Nero--but the heart of the movie, the opening sequence, the central question of Kirk's character, the update of the crew (especially Uhura), the visuals, are all good. It's a good, fun, popcorn flick, but it's warts are why I don't like it all that much, and why it is so far down on this list.
10. Star Trek Generations
A lot happens in this movie--Robert and Rene die, the Duras sisters are trying to hold the galaxy hostage to regain power, the Enterprise-D is destroyed, Data gets emotions, they explore the fallout from the Borg through Soran (could be Sisko or Picard as a bad guy), KIrk and Picard share screen time, we get to peer into Kirk's mind and motivations, and we see Kirk die--and I feel like I just had a root canal.
11. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
It makes V'Ger Vulcan, a humanoid, and retreads on The Motion Picture's material. The character scenes are ruined by all the humor. The visuals were campy in 1989, guess how they look now? I like the central questions, but it's not a great movie, by any standard.
12. Star Trek Into Darkness
Acting, good. Kirk as a character, a caricature of himself. It fails to answer why Kirk would have anymore friendship for Spock, then he does for Scotty or Uhura, Chekov or Sulu. They all faced death together with Nero. Is it emotional transference from the Mind-Meld with Prime Spock? The fact that Spock lost a mother, where Kirk lost his father? We are left to guess. Admiral Marcus is twirling his mustache the moment he is on-screen. The movie is dark and violent, talks about revenge, as if they needed a treatise on that in Trek movies, since every villain since Kirk faced down Khan the first time, has had some humanoid we cannot reason with, who needs to kill Enterprise and crew to achieve their madman goals. Cumberbatch's performance in Into Darkness, over-the-top, and over-blown. The movie is violent, did I mention that? They have been trying to re-do Khan for ages, and finally got their chance, and reeks of trying to do the arch-nemesis of Trek. The fallout from the Nero attack, our counter-terrorism argument, like 4 minutes of a 2-and-a-half hour movie. More flimsy plotting--Kirk is a Captain, then Cadet, then Commander, and Captain again in 18 minutes. Seriously, I timed it. Again, no consequences. The movie is violent, too. Did I mention that? Bra and panties back for STiD. Did I mention the movie was violent? The most unforgivable about a CGI gore-fest? That they ripped off some very popular Trek history to make it feel like a Star Trek movie. Do something new, please. No Greatest hits.
13. Star Trek: First Contact
9 zombies walk around on the Enterprise, Picard is Ahab, I already know there's no money in the 24th century and the central ideas of the Star Trek universe. I am not Lily. You told him about the statue? Exactly. Don't tell him what history took away from his decisions--another nails-on-the-chalkboard moment.
I swore I would never do this again. The fact is, I have 4-5 movies I like. The rest? I haven't purchased a copy since I had a VHS player, and I won't.
I sometimes sit in wonder of how all the different elements--Kirk's journey to find purpose again (Life from Death), Genesis and Khan being creations of science that were weaponized, the Kobiashi Maru and showing how a Starfleet officer is made by showing Kirk and crew as teachers, the relationship that blossomed after 20 years together between Kirk and Spock, how both Kirk and Spock approach death from different angles--are all tied together by the end of the movie. This is the magnum opus of Star Trek films.
2. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
This is imaginative, to say the least. Not only did we manage to have an enemy that was just misguided, instead of bent on revenge (as every movie with a humanoid would be from II on), but we learn something about ourselves. "We create God in our own image." When we reach true self-awareness, we turn to a loved on and say "Is this all that there is? Is there nothing more?" Star Trek told a story that was unique to its own universe. At its best, Star Trek is the wonderment of what we would find in space, and using that as a prism for the human journey, adventure. This is a wonderful movie and one I will watch over and over again.
3. Star Trek: Insurrection
This was the best of the TNG films. It is a better script than its director. It doesn't deal with the Klingons or the Romulans. The Dominion War is over, at least on-hold, for the time being. The way of life Picard and company have been defending with their phasers and Quantum Torpedoes, is what they long to return to. "Can anyone remember when we used to be explorers?" This creates two, if not three, unique cultures to explore--the Bak'u and the Son'a--and if its director and marketing had let it happen, the mystery wouldn't have been so obvious to the audience. It's the 24th-century morality play. We are explorers and now we want to destroy a culture for a natural resource. We just got done destroying a external existential threat to our culture, and now we are being destroyed from within. It allows us to see ourselves as immortals--30 years we apprentice, perhaps be forget to review what happened yesterday, what happens today, and live in the moment. It's a great movie in this regard, that it gives us something to chew on. Now, Riker with a joystick on the bridge and Ru'afo bent on revenge make the 3rd act all but unwatchable. But the true Trek of it all, makes this one of my favorites.
4. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Playing out how Kirk approaches life and contrasting it with II's Spock, is the greatness of this film. Kruge makes me want to turn it off. Not my favorite, but ultimately, a watchable movie.
5. Star Trek Beyond
This movie brings back the ensemble cast, instead of focusing on just the relationship with Kirk and Spock and bad guy. Jayla is a wonderful addition to the Star Trek universe, as a young, female Kirk. The use of science and music to destroy the swarm, because phasers will not work in destroying the swarm, warms my heart. Yes, it is a big-budget action flick, but the trappings around the formula are great. Kirk and Spock almost leaving each other, and the Enterprise, the legacy--living up to it--that could be the allegory for this entire movie franchise post-Nemesis. The fact the argument within the universe, of whether we need a military or not, is given flesh in this movie. They got a lot right about this film, and I have a low opinion of every movie down on this list.
6. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Not the Klingons we have come to know, but until Chang twirls his mustache, it is a tremendous movie, using politics of the time as a backdrop for our heroes. It's a sentimental favorite.
7. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
I don't like the ending. It drives me nuts. All of Kirk's sacrifices for saving Spock, gone. And they lived happily ever after...no consequences for Kirk for his behavior, and that is, indeed, a bad way to go. But as long as our seven crew members are alive and on the Enterprise at the end of the film, and ride off into the sunset together, everyone will be happy and applaud. Too much humor in this one, for my taste.
8. Star Trek Nemesis
Shinzon is a good starting point, but he's too dark to relate to. He rapes. He wants to touch Deanna's hair. He has a predator ship. And then Picard is seduced because of one dinner and the promise of peace? I hate that. But the scene in the Ready Room, the scene in Stellar Cartography, is about the only thing I like about it. It has a good vocabulary, the script. It gets the characters right.
9. Star Trek (2009)
The movie has some very flimsy plotting--the entire Delta Vega sequence and getting back aboard the Enterprise, Prime Spock giving the equation to Scotty and Kirk assuming command are like nails on a chalkboard when I see it, Kirk goes from Cadet to Captain overnight because of Nero--but the heart of the movie, the opening sequence, the central question of Kirk's character, the update of the crew (especially Uhura), the visuals, are all good. It's a good, fun, popcorn flick, but it's warts are why I don't like it all that much, and why it is so far down on this list.
10. Star Trek Generations
A lot happens in this movie--Robert and Rene die, the Duras sisters are trying to hold the galaxy hostage to regain power, the Enterprise-D is destroyed, Data gets emotions, they explore the fallout from the Borg through Soran (could be Sisko or Picard as a bad guy), KIrk and Picard share screen time, we get to peer into Kirk's mind and motivations, and we see Kirk die--and I feel like I just had a root canal.
11. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
It makes V'Ger Vulcan, a humanoid, and retreads on The Motion Picture's material. The character scenes are ruined by all the humor. The visuals were campy in 1989, guess how they look now? I like the central questions, but it's not a great movie, by any standard.
12. Star Trek Into Darkness
Acting, good. Kirk as a character, a caricature of himself. It fails to answer why Kirk would have anymore friendship for Spock, then he does for Scotty or Uhura, Chekov or Sulu. They all faced death together with Nero. Is it emotional transference from the Mind-Meld with Prime Spock? The fact that Spock lost a mother, where Kirk lost his father? We are left to guess. Admiral Marcus is twirling his mustache the moment he is on-screen. The movie is dark and violent, talks about revenge, as if they needed a treatise on that in Trek movies, since every villain since Kirk faced down Khan the first time, has had some humanoid we cannot reason with, who needs to kill Enterprise and crew to achieve their madman goals. Cumberbatch's performance in Into Darkness, over-the-top, and over-blown. The movie is violent, did I mention that? They have been trying to re-do Khan for ages, and finally got their chance, and reeks of trying to do the arch-nemesis of Trek. The fallout from the Nero attack, our counter-terrorism argument, like 4 minutes of a 2-and-a-half hour movie. More flimsy plotting--Kirk is a Captain, then Cadet, then Commander, and Captain again in 18 minutes. Seriously, I timed it. Again, no consequences. The movie is violent, too. Did I mention that? Bra and panties back for STiD. Did I mention the movie was violent? The most unforgivable about a CGI gore-fest? That they ripped off some very popular Trek history to make it feel like a Star Trek movie. Do something new, please. No Greatest hits.
13. Star Trek: First Contact
9 zombies walk around on the Enterprise, Picard is Ahab, I already know there's no money in the 24th century and the central ideas of the Star Trek universe. I am not Lily. You told him about the statue? Exactly. Don't tell him what history took away from his decisions--another nails-on-the-chalkboard moment.
I swore I would never do this again. The fact is, I have 4-5 movies I like. The rest? I haven't purchased a copy since I had a VHS player, and I won't.
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