*Potential Spoilers* What will the Alternate Enterprise-A look like

[Tuskin38]

Wondered why the Iconians were such a deadly threat, yet our characters chew through them like any other day at the office? It is no different, because it is simply a game.

Well that was explained in the game actually, their technology had become stagnant. They had the numbers, but the tech wasn't much better then what we had.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

Well that was explained in the game actually, their technology had become stagnant. They had the numbers, but the tech wasn't much better then what we had.

From a narrative perspective Voyager's EMH points out that Elachi and Solanae technology is really just Iconian technology with their own "influence". Seven of Nine previously mentions the Vaadwaur ships being "exceptional", and the technology used to build those was given to them by the Iconians. Even if they have stagnated, the Iconians and their servitors ability to build dyson spheres and mass produce and utilise omega molecules to power them is something beyond the Alliance's technological level.

From a game perspective none of it makes sense, because the entirety of the game takes place within a couple of years, even down to being able to backward engineer Solanae tech and build entirely new faction themed ships with it. There's a lot in STO, unfortunately, that just has to be accepted at face value.

 

[nx1701g]

And I call bullshit on that, otherwise the Federation would have handed Nero his ass at Vulcan.

Here's the actual quote from the game site:

In the midst of the confrontations currently raging across multiple eras in the primary timeline, there have also been incidents of incursions into entirely alternate realities. One such breach has resulted in many artifacts and technological oddities from another timeline getting pulled into our own. A closer examination of this timeline reveals that it is a divergent reality that split from our own as a result of a confrontation in the 23rd Century, between an unknown Romulan vessel that had been displaced from the time stream, and a Federation starship - the U.S.S. Kelvin. As a result of this temporal incursion, the entire timeline that followed those events has come to be called the "Kelvin Timeline."

Examination of the time-lost salvage taken from the Kelvin Timeline reveals that the Federation of that reality had a decidedly higher investment in advanced military technology, likely as a direct result of their overwhelming defeat at the hands of the alien vessel that invaded their space in the 23rd Century. The same has shown to be true of the Klingon and Romulan ships of that time. This emphasis allows their technology - though technically hundreds of years old - to be comparable with our own in the early 25th Century. A small group of industrious scientists have taken it upon themselves to replicate these designs and distribute them throughout the modern era.

Among the ships being added are:

• Constitution Class
• Klingon D-4 Bird of Prey
• Romulan Warbird
• Vengeance Class

 

[Tuskin38]

Here's the actual quote from the game site:

This is the relevant bit

Examination of the time-lost salvage taken from the Kelvin Timeline reveals that the Federation of that reality had a decidedly higher investment in advanced military technology, likely as a direct result of their overwhelming defeat at the hands of the alien vessel that invaded their space in the 23rd Century. The same has shown to be true of the Klingon and Romulan ships of that time. This emphasis allows their technology - though technically hundreds of years old - to be comparable with our own in the early 25th Century.

 

[Cap.GRPrime1701]

Anyone remember how a comic said there was an Enterprise captained by Robert April that came before the 2009 Enterprise?

This makes the new A the third Kelvinverse Enterprise of Starfleet.

I like to imagine the first Enterprise was a TOS constitution class that was decommissioned significantly faster than in the Prime Universe in favor of the Enterprise launched in Star Trek (2009)

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

In terms of ship design that follows established on-screen principles.... That don't push the believability of what we know about Starfleet.... That stick to the themes of the show.... That don't mix up eras and scales....

- STO is awful; its never had the semblance of anything other than bad fanfic; e.g. 22nd century ships appear in the 25th century or are refit.

- Those IDW Kelvin timeline comics are also awful, with weird scaling issues, like huge D4 birds of prey, and weird continuity issues.

The are some non-canon sources which are genuinely great in terms of continuity - Star Trek: Judgement Rites being a great example - Star Trek: Klingon Academy being another. So some people do enjoy having a head canon that fits unofficial material in, such as elements of games, or the Pocket Books universe. But in terms of actual canon, things like STO, and things like Armada, are beyond the pale - because they were designed as games first, and drama second.

The most reliable non-canon source for continuity and ships has always been the Star Trek: Encyclopedia, by Michael Okuda and Denise Okuda, which established certain ideas for how ships fit in. Then Memory Alpha came along, and stuck rigidly to the same definition of canon favored by them, and by Roddenbury - what happens on screen is gospel; the only difference being they now count The Animated Series as canon, where some past works didn't. And out of all the internet sites that discuss ships, Ex Astris Scientia was probably the most reliable, because it followed the principles of the Encyclopedia and Technical Manuals.

 

[nx1701g]

- STO is awful; its never had the semblance of anything other than bad fanfic; e.g. 22nd century ships appear in the 25th century or are refit.

Oh I'll never dispute that, I was just saying what the website said.

 

[Mage]

Has anyone done some comparions shots with the Enterprise and Enterprise-A?

 

[Gonzo]

Has anyone done some comparions shots with the Enterprise and Enterprise-A?

Yeah some were posted earlier in this thread or in the size argument thread, one or the other or more likely both.

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

Everyone... I can't believe we have, not one, but TWO, new ships to pour over... In two DAYS!!

Who would have thought this only a few years ago, when Star Trek was dead, and TV sci-fi was also non-existent?!

What is even better is they both look quite retro and hark back to older designs.

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

It reminds me of the amazing museum in the game Star Trek: Judgement Rites:

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If you are a Trek fan, you will love the descriptions of the relics in that place.

 

[Klondike307]

Everyone... I can't believe we have, not one, but TWO, new ships to pour over... In two DAYS!!

Who would have thought this only a few years ago, when Star Trek was dead, and TV sci-fi was also non-existent?!

What is even better is they both look quite retro and hark back to older designs.

The Ent-A looks beautiful, that "under construction" shot was amazing. The only change I would make is to have the pylons join the nacelles a little farther back. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Discovery but it's starting to grow on me.

 

[Gonzo]

The Ent-A looks beautiful, that "under construction" shot was amazing. The only change I would make is to have the pylons join the nacelles a little farther back. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the Discovery but it's starting to grow on me.

Saw the new Discovery earlier as well, I must say the back end looks a bit Klingon D7/Romulan Warbird to me, not that it's a bad thing far from it.

Speculation is that it will be based after the Dominion war and it will be crewed by Federation, Klingon and Romulan personnel. I would be fine with that if true.

It certainly doesn't look earlier than DS9/Voyager, in my opinion it's going to be later rather than earlier, only sticking point is the registry NCC 1031 which is the older legacy style of numbers or as some have already said elsewhere it could allude to it being a Section 31 ship.

Far too early to tell.

From what I can see it looks pretty big as well.

 

[Mage]

Yeah some were posted earlier in this thread or in the size argument thread, one or the other or more likely both.

I saw those, I was hoping some edited some pics together, into one bigger jpeg. So we could see it side by side.

 

[RAMA]

Nice post. Glad to see some fans still appreciate the luck our ungrateful fandom has.

RAMA

Everyone... I can't believe we have, not one, but TWO, new ships to pour over... In two DAYS!!

Who would have thought this only a few years ago, when Star Trek was dead, and TV sci-fi was also non-existent?!

What is even better is they both look quite retro and hark back to older designs.

 

[Beyond Darkness]

What is even better is they both look quite retro and hark back to older designs.

Having read your other posts over the years you defenitely seem to be a fan of the "older" designs. Don't judge the designers of NuTrek harshly. They have the difficult job to make starships, that made their debut in the 60s and seemed pretty futuristic for that time, appear modern (and not "archaic") for our era, without departing too much from the general design philosophy.

Saw the new Discovery earlier as well, I must say the back end looks a bit Klingon D7/Romulan Warbird to me, not that it's a bad thing far from it.

It certainly doesn't look earlier than DS9/Voyager, in my opinion it's going to be later rather than earlier, only sticking point is the registry NCC 1031 which is the older legacy style of numbers or as some have already said elsewhere it could allude to it being a Section 31 ship.

Well, the design seems heavily inspired by the TOS Phase II TV Series Enterprise redesign that never got the green light.

Judging from the registry number, NCC-1031, we are looking at a starship that predates the Enterprise. So the show may very well take place between Enterprise and nuStarTrek bridging the gap between those 2 eras.

 

[Gonzo]

I saw those, I was hoping some edited some pics together, into one bigger jpeg. So we could see it side by side.

There is some floating around, check the last couple of days on this thread and the starship size thread.

Think it's a picture of the two in a similar position side by side, look about the same in size but the bevelled edge on the saucer of the 1701A makes it look bigger but it may not be, could just be the angle.

 

[Mage]

Really?? Must have missed that.... I'll go check.

 

[EndeavourCrew]

Saw the new Discovery earlier as well, I must say the back end looks a bit Klingon D7/Romulan Warbird to me, not that it's a bad thing far from it.

Speculation is that it will be based after the Dominion war and it will be crewed by Federation, Klingon and Romulan personnel. I would be fine with that if true.

It certainly doesn't look earlier than DS9/Voyager, in my opinion it's going to be later rather than earlier, only sticking point is the registry NCC 1031 which is the older legacy style of numbers or as some have already said elsewhere it could allude to it being a Section 31 ship.

Far too early to tell.

From what I can see it looks pretty big as well.

Yeah, but so far no one has asked the question- why is it Bronze??????

Do Federation vessels use tanning beds in this timeline?

 

[nx1701g]

Saw the new Discovery earlier as well, I must say the back end looks a bit Klingon D7/Romulan Warbird to me, not that it's a bad thing far from it.

Speculation is that it will be based after the Dominion war and it will be crewed by Federation, Klingon and Romulan personnel. I would be fine with that if true.

It certainly doesn't look earlier than DS9/Voyager, in my opinion it's going to be later rather than earlier, only sticking point is the registry NCC 1031 which is the older legacy style of numbers or as some have already said elsewhere it could allude to it being a Section 31 ship.

Far too early to tell.

From what I can see it looks pretty big as well.

I really think this is going to be a pre-TOS series. I just hope that they don't make it about Captain Garth of Izar. I really don't want to hear the Axanar people's comments on that one.