Very good point, one I do agree with. Because yes, the teaser is of low quality.
I'm mostly amazed that people are actually asuming this is what the show will look like.....
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Very good point, one I do agree with. Because yes, the teaser is of low quality.
I'm mostly amazed that people are actually asuming this is what the show will look like.....
Some of us still don't like the akiraprise. The refit version had some nice bits. It's very 1950s.
But...I still don't like that ship.
I like it's design more than this Discovery though.
The Voyager is a design I felt looked silly (didn't help that my first sight of it was one of the infamous upside down publicity articles.) that I now think of as possibly the best starfleet ship ever designed. The sovereign has gone backward in that regard for me.
In short...I am open to changing my opinion. But the akiraprise did not manage it, and without changes, I already know this new Discovery will likely not either.
But let's see it in some proper lighting. They can always blow the engines off after a year, or reveal it is as suspected a Kdf and Sf illegitimate love child. If the crews the same, and from the time period, it will vibe very similar to Voyager's Maquis/Starfleet crew.
Which episodes? I remember Columbia showing up but don't remember seeing Discovery on screen in Enterprise, especially "for a number of episodes."
I always wanted new Star Trek series to be in a post-ENT pre-TOS period, was wandering how they would connect this two periods. I don't like overall design of Discovery, but I like how it looks 80s or 90s retro, there is something nostalgic about it, but still I believe there is a lot of work to be done on that ship. What is the class of this ship?
First it was promising, but after showing that ugly shit, i mean ship in it's full
"glory" i'm shocked!! I hope they are not using that design..
The NX-01, the Reboot Enterprise, and now this. Why are people's first reaction to complain about new designs?
Personally I think it looks like a nice throwback. I almost hope the interiors have some late 70s browns and beiges.
It's amazing how close this concept is to some of the things I was thinking recently - complete with the sweet MacQuarrie asteroid base! I always thought that was a great image - the way the ship seems to be sailing in like a swan. The last time something unexpectedly happened to be close to what I was thinking was with Mass Effect 1 lol; someone designed a video game that basically fulfilled my every dream I've had about what a game should be, since I was a kid, and made a setting exactly like I would have made - down to the aliens (with Revelation Space style sentient machines) and tech (nanotech, cities in arcologies, etc). It ended up being my favorite game of all time.
I was thinking that it would be nice to see the designs of Ralph MacQuarrie on screen. I wondered what era those interesting designs would fit best in (also considering they appear in the background in some scenes in previous Trek, such as very briefly in Earth Spacedock in the movies), and thought pre-Kelvin TOS, post-Kelvin TOS or The Motion Picture, would be about right. I thought that Fuller would probably go for a show that was more about TOS style discovery, given his part comments and stuff, with maybe some Undiscovered Country style Cold War politics mixed in, given what Nicholas Meyer said about TUC being a touching point.
The only thing that shocks me (and I am still shocked a day later) is that they have set it in the prime universe. It was always a possibility, but I utterly did not expect that; I thought it was "closed for business", as someone recently said. I thought that to give themselves maximum latitude, and to expand Star Trek sideways, into multiple alternate universes like Gundam, they would probably go with a show set in Kelvin Timeline (contemporary to Kirk, to expand the setting, such as on the USS Reliant), or a Full Reboot (with gender and race blind casting, etc). I honestly thought that was what the game would be now; not to return to the Prime TImeline, but to expand into other possibilities. I honestly thought they would go with something like a Kelvin Timeline USS Reliant! Aside from that, I love the MacQuarrie designs, and even advocated it for this new series - but I was shocked that it's the other design they have chosen (the Star Destroyer), rather than the one with the long neck I liked more:
I wish the nacelles of the USS Discovery were a bit higher on their struts, then I think it would be a very pleasing retro design - it currently looks great from the front - a really nice profile from that angle - but not so great from below (and presumably from above). Just a little bit of tweaking would solve that - making the nacelles a little less massive, and putting them on struts:
Other than that, I would love it, and it's retro MacQuarrie look. This has the coincidental side effect of explaining the appearance of these strange Ralph MacQuarrie designs in the Prime Timeline, where they occasionally appeared in debris fields, or decommissioned in storage areas, or were seen in the background. I always thought they must have come from somewhere around TOS or TMP. But a new question that arises from this, is where, if anywhere, those pieces of Final-Fantasy-esqe, Yoshitaka Amano-like concept art fit in (perhaps the first season's story arc will deal with some kind of archaic Klingon ship being discovered, and leading to a diplomatic spat with the Federation?):
I'm looking forward to more news on the series - we don't really know anything of substance yet - we don't know the themes of the show - we don't know anything more than we did 24 hours ago really. We can guess from the inclusion of Nicholas Meyer on the staff, that the show will be trying to go for that literary tradition, like The Wrath of Khan. We can guess from Bryan Fuller's work on Hannibal, that the show might play up the early TOS horror elements, such as in The Man Trap, and give us terrors to freeze our souls. There were three eras in the prime universe which have never been filled with material: pre-TOS era, TMP era, post-TUC era. We are getting one of the three (probably), and who knows, it might just be the start - like Marvel, we could have three shows running at once if this does well.
It reminds me of the amazing museum in the game Star Trek: Judgement Rites:
If you are a Trek fan, you will love the descriptions of the relics in that place.
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It's set in both, since it predates the Narada incident...
I always liked that design and thought it would have been better as the Enterprise-D. Here are some more shots...if they are too "clean" for the new series, they could be darkened and beaten up a little bit, depending on the requirements for the series.
Since they are consciously not telling WHEN the series is set at the moment, I wonder how you are so sure about your conclusion. Not that I really care in which fictional universe exactly this is set.
The NX-01, the Reboot Enterprise, and now this. Why are people's first reaction to complain about new designs?
Personally I think it looks like a nice throwback. I almost hope the interiors have some late 70s browns and beiges.
Because they are often the first things we see, and the trek design lineage has specific markers, it's one of the franchises strong points. You can point at any starfleet ship, know that it is one, and even point to specific sections of a ship and know what it is even if you have never seen it before. It's a sign of good design.
I can't recall anyone HATING the NX-01, just lots of complaints how similar it was to the Akira class and lazy the design was. I don't think anyone called it ugly, or a monstrosity.
The Discovery on the other hand...
Hate because it looked like the Akira. Hate is hate.
A recycled (terrible) ship design, TOS prequel setting... This is going to be just a slightly different remake of ENT, isn't it? 
When did we become so entitled?
Yeah, I expected that you misunderstood his post. It's not the same ship. It's the same reaction.
You suggested that people grew to love the NX-01 as the series went on, which goes to show the design was fine and it took a while for them to get over the similarity to another ship. It was a superficial issue with the design.
The hate here is completely different. People hate the Discovery because it's hideous.
I also suspect the series will play at that time. The ship just look oldish. The problem with this is though, that the ship can't discover anything new with being set into the prime universe. Every place they might reach, every race they might meet, should already be known to us thanks to countless episodes playing further in the future. So it will be a canon disaster just like with ENT, which desperately tried to tell stories not contradicting what we already knew, but at the same time obviously wanted to show the viewers new things.
I would have loved a reboot playing not too far in the future, so that the technique isn't too overpowered yet. A fresh start without any canon restrictions. But with it set in the prime universe, I kind of hope now, it plays very far in the future, thousands of years after the Federation has collapsed and humans lost most of their knowledge of the past, and the ship is just an antique relict of a past glorious time they found. And they use the ship to discover the galaxy again and to build the Federation anew. At least then all kinds of changes in the galaxy can be explained with it playing far in the future.
I do get your point, I don't agree 100%. Yes, people say it's ugly but that's based on a low quality render of a pre-production cgi model. Give this baby loads more detailing, better textures, better lighting, and it will look loads different. So, people are still hating because of a early glimps of the ship. As we move on, and see more, it might be different.
And as for it being hideous, that is all a point of view. It's based on a concept for the Enterprise for Phase2, and this design has been discused for decades now. Some love it, some hate it. I'm guessing the same will happen with this ship over time. Some fans hate the Enterprise-D. Some think it's God's gift to spaceship design. Some hated it when it was first released and love it now, others loved it at first and don't anymore.
People are way to fast in hating or loving something based on quick glimpses. This is nothing new, and it will always remain I guess. Personally, I'd say give it time and wait untill we see high quality renders of the finalized design and model. Then judge.
