Rewatching Voyager

[tomalak301]

Living Witness

There are those episodes in Star Trek that mean more than your typical episode. Whether it's a famous episode like City on the Edge of Forever, or an episode that showcases the acting talents of it's star like The Inner Light, or those episodes that reasonate emotionally for the viewer like DS9's The Visitor. Well, Voyager had at least one episode like that, and it was called Living Witness. I've already said the Scorpion 2 parter is my favorite episode of the series, and I love Before and After. I think Living Witness is right up there in my top 5 of favorite episodes of Voyager. This was Star Trek at it's very very best, telling an emotional story while providing social commentary along the way.

I watch this episode, and I think about what is going on in our culture today. The Propaganda being spewed is insane, and this episode did a great job showing that, how a race war that has lasted centuries can be fueled in an instant. This episode showed the addage, "History is written by the victors" to full effect, and the stuff with the Doctor was really poignant. I really paid attention to the final scene between Quarran and The Doctor, how The Doctor thinks he's a symbol in this war and his version of events doesn't matter in the long run. The simple fact that it does matter as to bring in a new era of piece, and then we see that result was really the icing on the cake for me in this episode.

I also loved the mirror universe aspects. Love Seven and her borg drones, love the fact that there was a Kazon on the ship, and the brute mentality of Janeway really gave Mulgrew a realistic chance to do something different. Still, the themes of this episode are extremely poignant, and I do think this is one of the best episodes of the series. Also, for it being directed by Tim Russ for the first time, that was a fantastic directorial debut.

 

[stardream]

I agree with you on all your reviews this time.

Unforgettable was forgettable although I've always liked Virginia Marsden. I thought she and Beltran had pretty good chemistry but the episode felt like one long teaser to me. I kept waiting for something to happen.

The Omega Directive was fascinating. The idea that the Borg had a 'quest' for perfection was interesting and Seven actually being 'excited' about something. Normally she was so dismissive about things. 'Oh, that's species XXX. Nothing special'. Now she had a true purpose and I'm glad she got to see the molecule, even if it was only for a second.

I bet Living Witness was fun for the cast to do. It's been called their version of the Mirror Universe. I enjoyed this and I hate the Mirror Universe. I skip over all of them with the exception of the original Mirror Mirror but this one I like.
Yes, history gets distorted, is written by the winners etc and often times when someone tries to set the record straight the term 'revisionist' history gets thrown around. I like how this showed how easy it is for this to happen.

I'm sorry Dawson could not be in this as she had just had her baby but we still got to see her 'evil' version later on in Author, Author. I think she actually went into labor during the Omega Directive but I'm not sure. (Now that I think of it McNeil's wife had a baby around that time as well. It was a joke on set that he couldn't get away from pregnant women.)

 

[Thomas Eugene]

Good morning, VOY fans, it's time to wake up:

And now that I've drunk my TEA (yes, tea - I never drink coffee), it's time to react to the latest reviews
I like all the three episodes - surprise, surprise - including UNFORGETTABLE. This was a modern Romeo and Juliet story to me with a very different reason from that of Mr. Shakespeare's why the lovers couldn't have the relationship they both wanted very much. I found it a touching story, and Neelix's role as the ship's counsellor was spot-on, too.

This woman, Virginia whoever (sorry, I don't know her) was a good choice, too, I thought. It would have been interesting to keep her on the ship. I guess I might have mentioned earlier that if I had been in charge of Voyager, the biggest change would have been to start out with a fewer number of main characters. On a long journey like this, I find it natural that new people arrive and join the crew permanently. I think I would only have started out with five or six people altogether. Neelix could have joined them in the second season, Kes in the third, Seven in the fourth (like she did). At the same time, this would have meant that money was no problem and some other characters might have stayed as well, at least for a season or two. I still think Rain Robinson from FUTURE'S END would have been the best choice.

LIVING WITNESS and THE OMEGA DIRECTIVE are both very interesting stories for the reasons the two of you mentioned already. I don't like Mirror Universe stories, either, and I'm actually glad Voyager had none of that. I guess LIVING WITNESS is compared to an MU story because basically everyone is a jerk in the MU, no matter whether they are good or bad in the prime universe, and on this episode the same thing happens.

love the fact that there was a Kazon on the ship

I thought I was alone with this but this has always been one of the things I love about this ep. And he looked funny in his Starfleet uniform and made the impression he was an integral part of Janeway's crew.
Also I often toy with the idea that Q should have appeared here, just for an instant, no longer - so that Chakotay could show him that his tattoo was even bigger ... (THE Q AND GREY - do you remember?)

And THE OMEGA DIRECTIVE was good for a number of reasons, too but I mainly like this episode because it clearly shows how much Janeway trusts Chakotay and the crew - which they return with their trust in their Captain.

 

[tomalak301]

And THE OMEGA DIRECTIVE was good for a number of reasons, too but I mainly like this episode because it clearly shows how much Janeway trusts Chakotay and the crew - which they return with their trust in their Captain.

I didn't get this at all, mainly because Janeway was ready to take a shuttlecraft and do it herself. It was Chakotay that talked her into letting the crew help.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

I didn't get this at all, mainly because Janeway was ready to take a shuttlecraft and do it herself. It was Chakotay that talked her into letting the crew help.

Well to me, the the fact speaks for itself. Janeway is a Starfleet captain, she is sworn to secrecy about Omega. She keeps to the protocol and doesn't want to share the information with her crew. Due to the coversation with Chakotay, however, she reconsiders and decides that she knows her crew well enough to trust in them and this is a lot more important for the success of the mission than following some kind of protocol, so she decides to disclose the information. Which means that she decides to go against Starfleet orders.
To me, this is a positive proof of absolute trust.

 

[tomalak301]

I finished Season 4 tonight.

Demon

This episode is kind of stupid but still decent. I mean the whole looking for fuel thing when you're really needing it left be a little cold, but maybe it's due to the fact that if I'm driving and my car even touches the E mark even though I have 5 gallons of gas left, I would look for fuel and almost panic about it. Also, I didn't like Tuvok's talking to Neelix about how he couldn't have the small book, and the stuff in Sickbay was trying to be funny but wasn't.

Still, what I did like about this episode was Kim's confidence, and the sci fi plot of the silver blood duplicating people. It's a shame Kim's confidence is short term, but the silver blood reminded me of a Star Trek episode. Also, the banter between Tom and Kim is always fun.

One

Another episode where Jeri Ryan shines. You really can see her fear as the Hallucinations get worse and it feels like her sanity is being lost. I do think Enterprise's Doctor's Orders is a somewhat better episode, mainly due to these episodes being so similar, but One was really good and provided a nice horror element. Also, seeing the crew almost zombie like at the end was kind of eerie.

Hope and Fear

This episode has always been weird to me. I enjoy it, but it doesn't feel like a Season Finale. What it feels like is almost a summation of Season 4 dealing with consequences and looking forward. Case in point Seven and Janeway. All season long this relationship has been almost dysfunctional, from Janeway trying to get Seven to embrace her humanity, to Janeway's punishment of her in Prey, and then in The Killing Game when they are under the control of the implants, there are trust issues there too. We also see Seven butt heads with Janeway on multiple occasions, and it all came to the surface here. I think this conflict really helped Voyager in a way this season. Janeway has always been a mother figure, and here, it's like she can actually be a mother.

Then we have the story with Artorus and his blaming Janeway for what happened to his people. Whenever I watch Scorpion, I think about Hope and Fear, and how Janeway couldn't have known what the lasting impact would have been. All she knew was Species 8472 made a threat to the galaxy, and attacked Kim. This is where I'm really interested in seeing In the Flesh again because these issues don't get brought up, or at least I don't recall. It sucks for Autorus, and I like that he came across as a sympathetic character, but Janeway couldn't have done things differently, other than maybe ignore the threat and never get Seven or 10 years closer to home.

This episode asks a lot of interesting questions and does a great job kind of reflecting on the season as a whole. Still, why I think this is a weird episode was because it didn't feel big enough to be a season ender. Maybe I'm just used to the cliffhanger format.

Also, I'm bummed we don't get Velocity again. What a fun game that might have been. It's like target practice meets dodgeball.

 

[Archimago]

Good to hear it. What does xD mean in English?

Apart from me, you might be the only person who actually likes 11:59. That episode gets bashed all the time.

Fantastic! In about two weeks' time I'm also taking a break and won't be able to come here for approx. two weeks.
Here's a wallpaper for all of you for today (I hope we haven't had this one on this thread yet):

Sorry for a slow reply, xD in actual fact is another way of saying lol but then again it means lots of other things like when you're suprised or confused or accepting something, it's very general. Its used a lot by gamers.

Also yes I'm I'm agreement with the reviews here, just throwing back I quite like 11 59 as well . I enjoy unforgettable the lady here was one of my favorite special guests the repour she built with Chakotay was great :-)

The omega directive questions the ideals of perfection and this is an enjoyable concept to be challenged by Janeway and seven. Can perfection ever really be obtained? (Omega is also dealt with in the relaunch books)

Living witness, was a great epsiode as far as I'm concerned!! The doctors and the crews performance were both amazing I think the thing I loved most is the deeper meaning behind the episode? And about how wars can look so different from another perspective and propoganda can do to people and influence how they think.

Demons was probably my least favorite out of the list here but still not bad not much to say about it tbh.

The season finale was a little bit lackluster for a season finale I felt, and we knew Voyager was coming for a fifth season so there was gonna be something up with the plot the whole time :L the concept is not a bad idea however, I would like to know why they deem the slipstream to be unsafe? It seemed to work fine? Maybe a plot hole they couldn't deal with xD or maybe I forgot they might've mentioned somewhere why it didn't work

I don't have much commentary on the other reviews they all surmise what I think!

 

[tomalak301]

The season finale was a little bit lackluster for a season finale I felt, and we knew Voyager was coming for a fifth season so there was gonna be something up with the plot the whole time :L the concept is not a bad idea however, I would like to know why they deem the slipstream to be unsafe? It seemed to work fine? Maybe a plot hole they couldn't deal with xD or maybe I forgot they might've mentioned somewhere why it didn't work

Wasn't it tearing the ship a part? Or at least that's what I think Harry said.

 

[Archimago]

Wasn't it tearing the ship a part? Or at least that's what I think Harry said.

That would be it! I haven't seen the epsiode for a few years so I couldn't remember.

BTW I watched the new star trek film yesterday! I forgot to mention it in my above post. It's so funny, has it come out where you guys are?

 

[tomalak301]

That would be it! I haven't seen the epsiode for a few years so I couldn't remember.

BTW I watched the new star trek film yesterday! I forgot to mention it in my above post. It's so funny, has it come out where you guys are?

Yeah. I saw Beyond on Thursday. Great fun film.

 

[Archimago]

Yeah. I saw Beyond on Thursday. Great fun film.

Since you've seen it maybe you could help me what time frame is it set in before or after Voyager? Becuase the technology felt before

 

[tomalak301]

Since you've seen it maybe you could help me what time frame is it set in before or after Voyager? Becuase the technology felt before

It's before, but it's set in the Alternate Universe, as it was established in Star Trek 09. If you haven't seen Star Trek 09, I recommend it as that basically rebooted the franchise.

 

[Archimago]

It's before, but it's set in the Alternate Universe, as it was established in Star Trek 09. If you haven't seen Star Trek 09, I recommend it as that basically rebooted the franchise.

Ahh ok, I was gonna make an effort to watch all the new films after seeing this one. I think I may have seen one of them before, but it wad a while ago so I don't remember much. My only real star trek passion is Voyager but after really enjoying this film I may have found another one! I also liked the familial feeling the crew have just like Voyager

 

[stardream]

I thought Demon was going to be another Tom/Harry episode considering we haven't had one since The Chute but it turned into something else. Did like their interactions during the mission and Harry standing up for his idea. The silver blood concept was ok but I thought it could have been handled better. One thing I thought was a bit strange was B'Elanna going on and on to Chakotay about wanting to go help rescue Tom and Harry...and then we never see her again. You would think she would at least pop in on them while they are in sick bay ( to check in either version of them).

Loved One. Seven having to be alone,facing probably her greatest fear. Funny parts about Tom breaking out of the stasis tube. Her almost descending into madness. Good stuff.

I liked Hope and Fear. Continuity! While it focused mainly on Janeway and Seven most of the rest of the crew got something to do. This was probably the end of Seven's first character arc (She had several). For some reason, I liked the idea that the crew did not want to leave Voyager behind.

 

[Catarina]

For some reason, I liked the idea that the crew did not want to leave Voyager behind.

perhaps because it became their home? I know I got attached to it. and would be distressed at leaving it behind because like Janeway said, it carried them, kept them together, it was their home.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

Demon

This episode is kind of stupid but still decent. I mean the whole looking for fuel thing when you're really needing it left be a little cold, but maybe it's due to the fact that if I'm driving and my car even touches the E mark even though I have 5 gallons of gas left, I would look for fuel and almost panic about it. Also, I didn't like Tuvok's talking to Neelix about how he couldn't have the small book, and the stuff in Sickbay was trying to be funny but wasn't.

Still, what I did like about this episode was Kim's confidence, and the sci fi plot of the silver blood duplicating people. It's a shame Kim's confidence is short term, but the silver blood reminded me of a Star Trek episode. Also, the banter between Tom and Kim is always fun.

I thought Demon was going to be another Tom/Harry episode considering we haven't had one since The Chute but it turned into something else.

I'm not sure I understand this last comment. This WAS a Tom/Harry episode - they were the main characters in this one. How could it have been more Tom and Harry?
Needless to say, I love it. Though I also didn't understand why Tuvok didn't want Neelix to take that book with him. It wouldn'thave taken up much space. Was he stamping his authority on the situation, perhaps?
Anyway, Tom and Harry were good together - as always -, and talking about continuity, there's reference made by Harry even to as far back as EMANATIONS. I was really happy about this, even though to me it is the second weakest Harry-centered episode (the weakest one being THE DISEASE).
Actually, there was quite a lot of humour on this episode as well. The banter between Tom and Harry, of course, and Seven's remark about how "each square kilometre of this planetoid is less appealing than the last" was really funny.
What is a little sad to me about this episode is its sequel in the next season. That one is a really depressing one (COURSE OBLIVION) - although another great example of Janeway meaning well and it turning out bad.

One

Another episode where Jeri Ryan shines. You really can see her fear as the Hallucinations get worse and it feels like her sanity is being lost. I do think Enterprise's Doctor's Orders is a somewhat better episode, mainly due to these episodes being so similar, but One was really good and provided a nice horror element. Also, seeing the crew almost zombie like at the end was kind of eerie.

This is a special episode to me because this was the very first episode I had seen in the entire show (in Hungary, we practically hadn't even heard about Star Trek before this millennium). I was hooked immediately, saw a few more episodes here and there and fell in love with the show soon after. If you consider that this was due to this episode and also that I am gay, then it's no small feat for Jeri Ryan, is it? I've never understood the people who say that she is just there for eye candy. She surely holds no attraction for me as a woman and I still love every single episode that revolves around her. Well done, Seven! Although, of course, she could have been a little nicer to the Doctor this time (not that he doesn't deserve a little admonishment - but still).

Hope and Fear

This episode has always been weird to me. I enjoy it, but it doesn't feel like a Season Finale.

I liked Hope and Fear. Continuity! While it focused mainly on Janeway and Seven most of the rest of the crew got something to do. This was probably the end of Seven's first character arc (She had several).

I also love this episode. I don't mind if it's a cliffhanger or not - does it matter after so many years when you can binge watch the show? -, but it's a very interesting one. I can already see the wallpapers I'm going to make for this one (sometime in the distant future ...). Most of them will be with Janeway wearing that red keep-fit dress (or whatever is the proper term in English). She just looked great in it. And how Seven is unable to accept that she has lost - yuk, the borg might be less perfect than Janeway - that must have hurt!
Altogether, a very interesting story with the usual Voyager stuff: emotional (Janeway and Seven in the brig, for example) and at the same time with lots of humour (Seven and B'Elanna, for example).

I liked the idea that the crew did not want to leave Voyager behind.

perhaps because it became their home? I know I got attached to it. and would be distressed at leaving it behind because like Janeway said, it carried them, kept them together, it was their home.

This was, again, one of the things I loved about this episode (as well as about any other episode in which this is brought up). No other show has ever had that familial feeling to it, and what's even better is that it gets expressed by the characters pretty often. (Can you even imagine the same thing about StarGate Universe? I can't figure out why people even compare it to Voyager.)

All in all, the end of Season 4 was vey strong and the beginning of Season 5 will be even stronger! NIGHT, DRONE .. etc. But let's let tomalak say his thoughts about those eps first.

Sorry for a slow reply, xD in actual fact is another way of saying lol but then again it means lots of other things like when you're suprised or confused or accepting something, it's very general. Its used a lot by gamers.

Thanx. Does it have its verbal equivalent? I mean, LOL means "laugh out loud". Does xD also mean something? Not too many English words start with an "x" ...

(Omega is also dealt with in the relaunch books)

SPOILER!
And it turns out to be even more destructive than we have thought.
Which was an interesting concept but I was sorry to see Captain Eden die. I kind of liked her. She was very different from Janeway but she was still a good captain.
And like I said before, I absolutely hated the idea of killing Q2 off. Brrrr ....
END OF SPOILER!

BTW I watched the new star trek film yesterday! I forgot to mention it in my above post. It's so funny, has it come out where you guys are?

I also saw it yesterday, it was fantastic! I love all these new Star Trek films - in no small part because of Captain Kirk's blue eyes ... I just melt everytime I see them, !
But really, in contrast to the old Trek films which I find very boring (the Kirk ones - Picard is a bit better), these new films are excellent. On the extras DVD of the first one, one of the producers mentions that they wanted something similar to Star Wars, and I think as far as the level of excitement is concerned, they are doing very well.
Is this guy, who played the villain, a well-known actor in the English-speaking world?

My only real star trek passion is Voyager

And you are my friend! xD xD xD (See I've started using what I've learnt from you.)

Sorry guys if this has been too long a response but there have been a lot of things discussed since this morning (it's 8.15 in the evening in this part of the world)

 

[Archimago]

I'm not sure I understand this last comment. This WAS a Tom/Harry episode - they were the main characters in this one. How could it have been more Tom and Harry?
Needless to say, I love it. Though I also didn't understand why Tuvok didn't want Neelix to take that book with him. It wouldn'thave taken up much space. Was he stamping his authority on the situation, perhaps?
Anyway, Tom and Harry were good together - as always -, and talking about continuity, there's reference made by Harry even to as far back as EMANATIONS. I was really happy about this, even though to me it is the second weakest Harry-centered episode (the weakest one being THE DISEASE).
Actually, there was quite a lot of humour on this episode as well. The banter between Tom and Harry, of course, and Seven's remark about how "each square kilometre of this planetoid is less appealing than the last" was really funny.
What is a little sad to me about this episode is its sequel in the next season. That one is a really depressing one (COURSE OBLIVION) - although another great example of Janeway meaning well and it turning out bad.

This is a special episode to me because this was the very first episode I had seen in the entire show (in Hungary, we practically hadn't even heard about Star Trek before this millennium). I was hooked immediately, saw a few more episodes here and there and fell in love with the show soon after. If you consider that this was due to this episode and also that I am gay, then it's no small feat for Jeri Ryan, is it? I've never understood the people who say that she is just there for eye candy. She surely holds no attraction for me as a woman and I still love every single episode that revolves around her. Well done, Seven! Although, of course, she could have been a little nicer to the Doctor this time (not that he doesn't deserve a little admonishment - but still).



I also love this episode. I don't mind if it's a cliffhanger or not - does it matter after so many years when you can binge watch the show? -, but it's a very interesting one. I can already see the wallpapers I'm going to make for this one (sometime in the distant future ...). Most of them will be with Janeway wearing that red keep-fit dress (or whatever is the proper term in English). She just looked great in it. And how Seven is unable to accept that she has lost - yuk, the borg might be less perfect than Janeway - that must have hurt!
Altogether, a very interesting story with the usual Voyager stuff: emotional (Janeway and Seven in the brig, for example) and at the same time with lots of humour (Seven and B'Elanna, for example).


This was, again, one of the things I loved about this episode (as well as about any other episode in which this is brought up). No other show has ever had that familial feeling to it, and what's even better is that it gets expressed by the characters pretty often. (Can you even imagine the same thing about StarGate Universe? I can't figure out why people even compare it to Voyager.)

All in all, the end of Season 4 was vey strong and the beginning of Season 5 will be even stronger! NIGHT, DRONE .. etc. But let's let tomalak say his thoughts about those eps first.


Thanx. Does it have its verbal equivalent? I mean, LOL means "laugh out loud". Does xD also mean something? Not too many English words start with an "x" ...

SPOILER!
And it turns out to be even more destructive than we have thought.
Which was an interesting concept but I was sorry to see Captain Eden die. I kind of liked her. She was very different from Janeway but she was still a good captain.
And like I said before, I absolutely hated the idea of killing Q2 off. Brrrr ....
END OF SPOILER!


I also saw it yesterday, it was fantastic! I love all these new Star Trek films - in no small part because of Captain Kirk's blue eyes ... I just melt everytime I see them, !
But really, in contrast to the old Trek films which I find very boring (the Kirk ones - Picard is a bit better), these new films are excellent. On the extras DVD of the first one, one of the producers mentions that they wanted something similar to Star Wars, and I think as far as the level of excitement is concerned, they are doing very well.
Is this guy, who played the villain, a well-known actor in the English-speaking world?


And you are my friend! xD xD xD (See I've started using what I've learnt from you.)

Sorry guys if this has been too long a response but there have been a lot of things discussed since this morning (it's 8.15 in the evening in this part of the world)

Not 100% sure of the dress in reference but a keep fit dress why not. Or fitness clothing I would have to see it to know.

xD is actuslly supposed to be an emoji face. I'll let you try and work out what face it's meant to be Becuase tbh I'm still not sure xD

Lol and SGU has no familial feeling at all its nothing like Voyager.

Yuss this book for me had too much loss, so many chracters I had began to nurture does or get sent away never to be heard of again. Don't get me wrong it was a cliff hanger and a great story I love the relaunch books. But just too many people died. Too many. Especially eden I loved her interactions with Janeway she has a special women and had a lot to contribute as far as I'm concerned.

And yes absolutely great films, better than the old ones as far as I'm concerend! Not to offend anyone if you hold the old films in high regard.

And ahahaha I'm pleased I taught you something new You're teaching me new things about Voyager all the time! :-) so it's an equal trade haha. And yes a lot of posts today I must say xD

 

[Thomas Eugene]

Not 100% sure of the dress in reference but a keep fit dress why not. Or fitness clothing I would have to see it to know.

xD is actuslly supposed to be an emoji face. I'll let you try and work out what face it's meant to be Becuase tbh I'm still not sure xD

Lol and SGU has no familial feeling at all its nothing like Voyager.

Yuss this book for me had too much loss, so many chracters I had began to nurture does or get sent away never to be heard of again. Don't get me wrong it was a cliff hanger and a great story I love the relaunch books. But just too many people died. Too many. Especially eden I loved her interactions with Janeway she has a special women and had a lot to contribute as far as I'm concerned.

And yes absolutely great films, better than the old ones as far as I'm concerend! Not to offend anyone if you hold the old films in high regard.

And ahahaha I'm pleased I taught you something new You're teaching me new things about Voyager all the time! :-) so it's an equal trade haha. And yes a lot of posts today I must say xD

She was wearing this:

What is it then? Keep-fit dress? Fitness clothing? Something other?
SGU is horrible in my book but just because it is about a ship lost in space (and they are really lost they don't even know which galaxy they are in), it often gets compared to Voyager. For me, the similarities end here, everything else is different ... not to use the word a lot "worse" in my book.
I mean just think about this: how likeable are those characters? Basically zero (Ely is the only exception).
And how likeable are VOY characters? On a scale from 0 to 100, I'd say 120% xD!
"yuss"? Is that another English word I've never heard of?
(Relaunch) SPOILERS! What I really loved about Janeway and Eden was the fact that all Janeway's former crew wanted her to get back in charge of the mission - she was an admiral, after all, outranking Captain Eden - but Janeway was wise enough to know that at that moment she wasn't even part of Starfleet (or at least her status was questionable) so she decided to hand over the reins to Eden. She also made it explicitly clear that the crew were to follow Captain Eden's orders as if they are coming from her.
I found that another instance of Captain Janeway's greatness. She was clever as hell, understanding suddenly that she was in a situation which she didn't even understand vaguely so she trusted the current Starfleet captain in charge without a second thought.
I just wished there'd been a scene with Tom not being able to restrain himself from bursting into tears. After all, he was the one who couldn't stop crying and crying at Janeway's funeral ... My boy, xD!
Archimago, I don't mind a little spoiler, so can you answer a question for me? What's Captain Farkas going to be like? I mean, does she figure heavily in the forthcoming books (remember the last one I finished was TET) and if so is she described as a sympathetic character? As far as I remember, she was alo a very nice captain and she survived the events in TET.
Oh, BTW, did you know that she must be Hungarian (or at least her ancestors)? Farkas is a frequent Hungarian surname. It means wolf.
END OF SPOILERS
Yes, the new Star Trek films are super exciting and the old ones aren't unfortunately. The only exception was FIRST CONTACT. That was very good. It's about Locutus, the borg ... and the borg queen.
I can heartily recommend you to watch it. If you like the borg and esp. the borg queen, you'll love it!

And I know I've said this already but I just wish someone would give us a good Hirogen-centered novel ... Wishful thinking, it seems ...

 

[tomalak301]

Night

Season 5 starts with an episode I've always had an issue with. That issue has always been Captain Janeway, and her secluding herself in her quarters in a time of crisis. Ok, I get that it's nothingness outside and you have time to reflect and ponder the last four years. My issue though is the captain's admittance that it was selfish to strand Voyager in the Delta Quadrant was pretty selfish in and of itself. The crew's moral is at a low, and this was the same woman who said she didn't want to break up the crew because it was a Family. Now I know that is an alternate timeline (Year of Hell) but I think in her heart she does believe that, that the crew is stronger as a team than when the leader is sulking in her quarters.

I think the thing that saves this episode though was the end. We see the crew standing up to Janeway, saying that yeah while you were feeling sorry for yourself, we also did a lot of thinking and you are the captain. I loved the little mutiny scene because it really put Janeway in her place.

As for the rest of the episode, I'm not a fan of the Malon, even though that story is still commentary in todays world, the amount of waste that we use and how it poisons the environment. I did like the other creatures though, and the Malon ships are pretty impressive.

 

[Archimago]

She was wearing this:

What is it then? Keep-fit dress? Fitness clothing? Something other?
SGU is horrible in my book but just because it is about a ship lost in space (and they are really lost they don't even know which galaxy they are in), it often gets compared to Voyager. For me, the similarities end here, everything else is different ... not to use the word a lot "worse" in my book.
I mean just think about this: how likeable are those characters? Basically zero (Ely is the only exception).
And how likeable are VOY characters? On a scale from 0 to 100, I'd say 120% xD!
"yuss"? Is that another English word I've never heard of?
(Relaunch) SPOILERS! What I really loved about Janeway and Eden was the fact that all Janeway's former crew wanted her to get back in charge of the mission - she was an admiral, after all, outranking Captain Eden - but Janeway was wise enough to know that at that moment she wasn't even part of Starfleet (or at least her status was questionable) so she decided to hand over the reins to Eden. She also made it explicitly clear that the crew were to follow Captain Eden's orders as if they are coming from her.
I found that another instance of Captain Janeway's greatness. She was clever as hell, understanding suddenly that she was in a situation which she didn't even understand vaguely so she trusted the current Starfleet captain in charge without a second thought.
I just wished there'd been a scene with Tom not being able to restrain himself from bursting into tears. After all, he was the one who couldn't stop crying and crying at Janeway's funeral ... My boy, xD!
Archimago, I don't mind a little spoiler, so can you answer a question for me? What's Captain Farkas going to be like? I mean, does she figure heavily in the forthcoming books (remember the last one I finished was TET) and if so is she described as a sympathetic character? As far as I remember, she was alo a very nice captain and she survived the events in TET.
Oh, BTW, did you know that she must be Hungarian (or at least her ancestors)? Farkas is a frequent Hungarian surname. It means wolf.
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Yes, the new Star Trek films are super exciting and the old ones aren't unfortunately. The only exception was FIRST CONTACT. That was very good. It's about Locutus, the borg ... and the borg queen.
I can heartily recommend you to watch it. If you like the borg and esp. the borg queen, you'll love it!

And I know I've said this already but I just wish someone would give us a good Hirogen-centered novel ... Wishful thinking, it seems ...

Yeah I would just go with workout clothes, and I do love that outfit as well actually xD

And yes there can be no comparison between Voyager and SGU. I do actually like SGU but they have completely different feelings aboard the ship. And unusually I don't actually like Eli that much he just bugs me. Rush is one of my favorites (I know your opinions of him aren't great haha!) But the epsiode memory was just the best epsiode of season 1 I think anyway it made me like him xD

Finally yuus is defenitly not a real word its just a coliqeual way of saying yes

Anyway that was off topic back to Voyager! I'm in agreement with you here I also liked the way the Admiral let Eden command even though she was out ranked.

I'm not 100% sure if you have read this scene. Do you remember Farkas ranting at Janeway about her decisions. She tells her about the wrong choice she made with the transwarp hub and a few others and how she would not want her to ever command the fleet. I think you would have enjoyed it if you haven't read it. She really hits Janeway in the heart but over the next few books there respect for each other grows and they become a formidable pair. I must say time between each ship is equally split we don't spend too much time with one captain which is nice. So yes we spend a reasonable amount of time with her. She actually brings the comedy to the books more often than not. Do you remember doctor Sal? There scenes always make me chuckle. And she had me laughing when she is talking to her first officer at the end of the book. She is kind hearted a well developed chracter but has a tough side which is shown when she confronts Janeway. But yes I think you would enjoy her development if you kept reading!

And I didn't know that at all! I'll have to look back see if it mentions her origins anywhere!

You never know there is another novel coming out she may a dress the Hirogen at some point! I would love to see how there society developed. Although the holographic technology failed in a way it was interesting to see them try and develop beyond what they were