Scifi with aggressive sexuality

[Guy Gardener]

No.
Being able to dehumanize somebody and turn them into an object shows power.
You might find pleasure in that, too.

Our friend was not dehumanized, or turned into an object (I hope.).

If they could do that, than that would be power.

These are just morons on the street yelling at a young woman.

(Which is a very bad thing.)

If anything thing, TSQ is enboldend or furious, and lucky they didn't get got.

They failed.

How do they get power or pleasure from failure?

These people, men, you are talking about, are morons.

Maybe they are delusional, but if they are disconnected from reality, that just means that they have no idea what they are doing or why they are doing it, so we can't make assumptions about their motives or objectives, beyond that they are morons.

Too old to throw rocks at cats, so this is what they do.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Thank god there's a man here to tell women how wrong they are.

Putting aside the snark for a moment: It is not for men to decide whether women's views on how men treat them are valid. They are valid because they're all we have to go on. Do you know what it's like to be a woman being catcalled, groped, cornered, assaulted? I sure don't. I'll have to trust the reported experiences of women who have dealt with those things.

What I won't do (and what no one should do) is basically respond with, "Well, you're just wrong to think of it that way!"

 

[Guy Gardener]

Sorry to come back to this but it's just so stupid I had to address it again because that's not even how power works! People strive for power all the time and don't get it. It's still about power. GOOD LORD.

They forgot you existed seconds after they said what they said.

They had thoughts, verbalized those thoughts, then got comfortable waiting for new thoughts to act upon.

There is no great conspiracy.

Dumb people say dumb stuff.

 

[Zaku]

Thank god there's a man here to tell women how wrong they are.

It's a man's job.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Thank god there's a man here to tell women how wrong they are.

Putting aside the snark for a moment: It is not for men to decide whether women's views on how men treat them are valid. They are valid because they're all we have to go on. Do you know what it's like to be a woman being catcalled, groped, cornered, assaulted? I sure don't. I'll have to trust the reported experiences of women who have dealt with those things.

What I won't do (and what no one should do) is basically respond with, "Well, you're just wrong to think of it that way!"

You know I'm a woman, right?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

They forgot you existed seconds after they said what they said.

They had thoughts, verbalized those thoughts, then got comfortable waiting for new thoughts to act upon.

There is no great conspiracy.

Dumb people say dumb stuff.

You are suggesting that a woman somehow magically knows whether a man randomly being an asshole to her is ultimately harmless.

Tell me, how does this particular sixth sense work? How does one acquire a rape-dar?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

You know I'm a woman, right?

If so, you're one who seems to get a kick out of fucking with women who disagree with you.

 

[Gov Kodos]

They forgot you existed seconds after they said what they said.

They had thoughts, verbalized those thoughts, then got comfortable waiting for new thoughts to act upon.

There is no great conspiracy.

Dumb people say dumb stuff.

Yes, even now.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If so, you're one who seems to get a kick out of fucking with women who disagree with you.

You're enjoying yourself.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yes, even now.

You do know that I wanted you to say that?

Thank you.

 

[Gov Kodos]

You do know that I wanted you to say that?

Thank you.

Cool, so why the riling folks up thing?

 

[thestrangequark]

Our friend was not dehumanized, or turned into an object (I hope.).
If they could do that, than that would be power.

Holy crap we're not talking about super powers. They make me feel dehumanized. They make me feel unsafe. They remind me that I am unsafe. They contribute to a society that promotes norms that make sexual assault a real threat. They remind me it's a real threat I've really experienced.

These are just morons on the street yelling at a young woman.

(Which is a very bad thing.)

If anything thing, TSQ is enboldend or furious, and lucky they didn't get got.

They failed.

I'm lucky? Lucky?

What the actual fuck?

http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/scifi-with-aggressive-sexuality.281790/page-13#post-11663645

How do they get power or pleasure from failure?

What do you think they've failed at? They've done their machismo posturing: that's their endgame! That's their damn goal. Knowingly or not, they made me feel scared/angry/like shit. They've succeeded.

Yeah, I'm strong as fuck, and outspoken, and a hell of a fucking fighter. I also have dysmorphia (wonder if being called a "skinny bitch" and a "fat ass" in the same day have something to do with that?), have PTSD, and am in recovery from anorexia/bulimia (the last of which you should know, because I posted about it in a thread in TNZ that you were posting in at the same time, and I specifically cited catcalls as one of my biggest triggers). Jesus, Guy, I generally like you, but this is the most insensitive, tone-deaf, obtuse, BS post of any in here, and that is saying a hell of a lot. I don't care if you're trying your jokey surrealist schtick, words have consequences and your words are shit right now.

 

[Zaku]

It's sad to me that someone is probably reading this thread trying to hone tactics for getting laid.

I'm just imagining the results

 

[Robert Maxwell]

You're enjoying yourself.

This is about as fun as an ingrown taint hair.

 

[JD]

You know I'm a woman, right?

You are? All the years we've both posted on here I've thought you were a guy.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Cool, so why the riling folks up thing?

The power argument is giving these men too much credit.

It sounds more like systemic entitlement.

They're not actually taking power, if they already believe that they own everything, which means that the are crazy on top of being assholes.

I'm sorry that you have had a series of horrible experiences TSQ, but I did not say that you were lucky, I said that they were lucky that you did not do something to them, and I only thought I was talking about catcalling, not about physically being attacked.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You are? All the years we've both posted on here I've thought you were a guy.

I garden guys.

I grow them in a field behind my house.

 

[T'Arwen]

Momentarily the conversation turned to sexual assault as comedy in the media, and I think that's an important topic to cover. It's one that I see affecting both men and women pretty equally, with male rape actually played more often for comedy, and other forms of sexual assault, like verbal assault that is directed at women played for laughs. @Joel_Kirk, it's horrible you were harassed, and it's even worse that in our society sexual harassment of men is nothing more than a joke.

It comes back to the stereotype that men always want sex. That makes the ones who do fit the stereotype feel more entitled. While sexual harassment and rape of men is less common, it's not taken as seriously. Some people can't conceive of the idea that a man wouldn't want the attention, especially from an attractive woman.

And I totally feel like "randomly" quoting @thestrangequark again.



It saddens me when men don't consider that, no matter how well-meaning they are.

Interestingly, I just saw a woman pull the "mother, sister, daughter" card. In this month's Costco magazine, a female author does this as an argument against tipping. In a nutshell, tipping makes your income vulnerable to the whims of customers. For waitresses, some of these whims include sexual harassment.

http://www.costcoconnection.com/connection/201607?pg=29#pg29

It's only about power if they get power.

If they're not getting power, then they're not after power.

I bet everyone in jail for staging a coup is dying to have you as lawyer. Yeah, a line like that will save their asses.

 

[{ Emilia }]

They forgot you existed seconds after they said what they said.

They had thoughts, verbalized those thoughts, then got comfortable waiting for new thoughts to act upon.

There is no great conspiracy.

Dumb people say dumb stuff.

You aren't even remotely grasping what is happening there.

Sexual Objectification of is omnipresent. Power imbalance in society is omnipresent (which includes both systemic inequality but also actual violence against women).
By indulging in that behavior, men are reinforcing this omnipresent objectification that already has a very real and serious effect on women's lives. We do feel objectified because society does treat us as objects.
It's not "in our heads" and we're not being too sensitive. We're talking about real things.

Men have the power to use this century-old but still powerful and culturally dominant tradition of sexual objectification to dehumanize a woman and make her feel awful. It's not a single instance of cat calling that hurts you. It's the fact that it is omnipresent and part of a culture that reinforces this systemic imbalance in society.
And it's also violent, not just because it strips you of humanity (just like so many other instances of objectification do) but also because we know that at some point some guy who sees us as mere objects for his sexual gratification might also decide to rape us.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You just called all men rapists.