Scifi with aggressive sexuality
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@The Borgified Corpse , did you even read a thing I wrote? In either of my longer posts?
@BigJake so perfectly replied that I can't think of much more to add, except that @The Borgified Corpse , it also seems that among the false notions you are laboring under is the idea that sex is somehow easier for women to get. That we have our pick and choose and can go out and get it whenever we want because we're so desirable and have "more sexual attention heaped on [us] than [we] know what to do with." This is nonsense. This is so much nonsense it would be funny if it wasn't scary that you, and lots and lots of other men actually think this. It would be funny if the reality of what "heaps of sexual attention" means wasn't so horrible. This is a false narrative. (One that is, relevant to the thread, ingrained in boys by the media.)
But you know what the truth is? Women are people, just like men.
Just as many woman have trouble getting laid, or finding love, or whatever they want in a partner (or partners) as men do. Just as many women are self-conscious, and nervous around the people they're attracted to, and not good at flirting as men are. Women have just as many social hang-ups. Women feel unattractive and unloveable. Because women are people, just like men.
The one thing we have that men don't have is the constant inundation of unwanted sexual attention -- most often in the form objectification. Objectification results in incredibly high standards for desirability (as @BigJake pointed out -- I mean, the notion that men are expected to do something to merit sexual attraction while women are not is so obtuse it's laughable*), increased self-consciousness (why do you think so many more women have body-image issues than men?), and the fact that the type of guy who "heaps sexual attention on us" is exactly the type of guy we need to be most wary of.
Maybe you didn't read my posts, as I spent a very good portion of my last one examining some of the serious problems these misogynistic norms impose on men. You are the one not listening, trying to understand other's perspectives, or thinking critically. Don't be a hypocrite.
*Throughout the entirety of recorded history pretty much all a women was allowed to do was try to merit sexual attraction! Until she was married off, a woman's entire life was devoted to making her as attractive a product to a man as possible, often so she could literally be sold. A practice that persists literally in many societies today. In our society, as @BigJake pointed out, women are still expected to spend incredible amounts of time, money, and effort making themselves sexually attractive (and, to make it worse, if we do this, we're considered shallow, but if we don't, we're lazy slobs who don't care about ourselves). When education started to become a valued trait in women, it was for show -- they weren't expected to do anything with what they learned. Even today, "be smart, but not too smart to scare off a man" is the standard. Seriously, that is the standard.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ted-in-dating-one_us_5627a564e4b02f6a900ed2aa
@BigJake so perfectly replied that I can't think of much more to add, except that @The Borgified Corpse , it also seems that among the false notions you are laboring under is the idea that sex is somehow easier for women to get. That we have our pick and choose and can go out and get it whenever we want because we're so desirable and have "more sexual attention heaped on [us] than [we] know what to do with." This is nonsense. This is so much nonsense it would be funny if it wasn't scary that you, and lots and lots of other men actually think this. It would be funny if the reality of what "heaps of sexual attention" means wasn't so horrible. This is a false narrative. (One that is, relevant to the thread, ingrained in boys by the media.)
But you know what the truth is? Women are people, just like men.
Just as many woman have trouble getting laid, or finding love, or whatever they want in a partner (or partners) as men do. Just as many women are self-conscious, and nervous around the people they're attracted to, and not good at flirting as men are. Women have just as many social hang-ups. Women feel unattractive and unloveable. Because women are people, just like men.
The one thing we have that men don't have is the constant inundation of unwanted sexual attention -- most often in the form objectification. Objectification results in incredibly high standards for desirability (as @BigJake pointed out -- I mean, the notion that men are expected to do something to merit sexual attraction while women are not is so obtuse it's laughable*), increased self-consciousness (why do you think so many more women have body-image issues than men?), and the fact that the type of guy who "heaps sexual attention on us" is exactly the type of guy we need to be most wary of.
Dude. Look. In. The. Mirror.
Maybe you didn't read my posts, as I spent a very good portion of my last one examining some of the serious problems these misogynistic norms impose on men. You are the one not listening, trying to understand other's perspectives, or thinking critically. Don't be a hypocrite.
*Throughout the entirety of recorded history pretty much all a women was allowed to do was try to merit sexual attraction! Until she was married off, a woman's entire life was devoted to making her as attractive a product to a man as possible, often so she could literally be sold. A practice that persists literally in many societies today. In our society, as @BigJake pointed out, women are still expected to spend incredible amounts of time, money, and effort making themselves sexually attractive (and, to make it worse, if we do this, we're considered shallow, but if we don't, we're lazy slobs who don't care about ourselves). When education started to become a valued trait in women, it was for show -- they weren't expected to do anything with what they learned. Even today, "be smart, but not too smart to scare off a man" is the standard. Seriously, that is the standard.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ted-in-dating-one_us_5627a564e4b02f6a900ed2aa
I remember a conversation years ago about a particular actor who happened to be cute and that was about all he had going for him. Guy couldn't act for anything. The men on the forum were all up in arms because they couldn't understand so many women found him attractive. They were adamant that guy had to be able to DO something in order to prove himself worthy of all that female attention. He had to at least be a good actor. One woman pointed out that men don't demand that women DO anything other than be attractive so why should women demand anything else of men? Some of the men admitted that she had a point.
I'm not advocating that anyone lower their standards or any kind of 'let's reverse it and see how you like it' reaction but I found that conversation enlightening. A man can be attractive but that's not enough. He must DO something. An attractive woman needn't do anything at all. Her accomplishments count for little with some men.
That's not to say that these particular men wanted women to stay home and iron. They didn't care if she was a CEO or a lawyer or whatever if that was what she wanted to do. It just wasn't anything on their checklist when they were looking around (unless of course, they were looking for a woman who made a good income).
I'm not advocating that anyone lower their standards or any kind of 'let's reverse it and see how you like it' reaction but I found that conversation enlightening. A man can be attractive but that's not enough. He must DO something. An attractive woman needn't do anything at all. Her accomplishments count for little with some men.
That's not to say that these particular men wanted women to stay home and iron. They didn't care if she was a CEO or a lawyer or whatever if that was what she wanted to do. It just wasn't anything on their checklist when they were looking around (unless of course, they were looking for a woman who made a good income).
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Or worse...
You just can't win when it comes to some people...
If only more people where like these kids:
Do you know what Jealousy is?
Men can't be jealous or angry about real people, that's petty, but if a lady keeps trying to make me dress like Ryan Gosling, or tricks me into getting Tom Cruises haircut, I'm allowed to act childish.
I remember my mother in the 80s saying to me "Don't you want to grow up to be strong and sexy like McGyver?" Which is better than what she said to me in the 70s "If you're lucky, you'll have lots of girlfriends like Magum PI."
@Rincewiend , I've seen that video. I can't watch it because it makes me really upset. You just can't fucking win.
I remember once being called a "skinny bitch" and told to "eat a fucking burger" and having my "fat, juicy ass" commented on in the same day.
I remember once being called a "skinny bitch" and told to "eat a fucking burger" and having my "fat, juicy ass" commented on in the same day.
You should move.
I hear good things about Finland.
I hear good things about Finland.
I totally get the light-hearted sentiment (and you're right about that region in general being a good place to be a woman
). I actually get this as a serious suggestion a lot, though: "Why don't you move somewhere where it doesn't happen so much?" "Why don't you wear less flamboyant clothes?" "Why don't you do this/that/the other thing?"
The burden's not on me. Because I'm not doing anything wrong.
The implication was that a woman's worth is based on how much she pleases a man. Apparently my small waist and visible ribcage were not good enough for the man, so I was a skinny bitch.
Later that same day, after I'd changed into something that was not midriff bearing (because it got colder out), and instead showed off more of my butt and thighs (where all the weight goes), I was a fat ass. I've been told I was too fat for a man too. One street harasser to me as I walked by: "Two words: Jenny Craig."
It's not about sex. It's about power and aggression.
It's only about power if they get power.
If they're not getting power, then they're not after power.
If they're not getting power, then they're not after power.
Objectifying somebody is exercising a power. You're dehumanizing them.
That is the power you get, turning them into a mere object that exists to please you. And doing that to a woman is incredibly easy in a society that already objectifies women everywhere and tells men it's okay to be entitled.
The act itself is an act of power that works because there already is a huge power imbalance in our society.
That's not power, that's pleasure.
Semantics.
Semantics.
Yep! I mean, there are just few square centimeters of contact between the feet and the terrain. I suppose that even the "female" autobots weight a few tons. So every step they take they do a new hole on the floor...
It's an attempt at an assertion of power, regardless of whether they have power or not.
The pleasure comes from the power. Good lord.
No.
Being able to dehumanize somebody and turn them into an object shows power.
You might find pleasure in that, too.
Isn't that literally what rapists say??
It's sad to me that someone is probably reading this thread trying to hone tactics for getting laid.
Sorry to come back to this but it's just so stupid I had to address it again because that's not even how power works! People strive for power all the time and don't get it. It's still about power. GOOD LORD.
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