Starship Size Argument™ thread

[F. King Daniel]

Please, PLEASE let this screencap forever lay to rest the saucer rim debate. Look at the teeny tiny people in the windows.
From Rihanna's "Sledgehammer" music video.

 

[Gonzo]

Please, PLEASE let this screencap forever lay to rest the saucer rim debate. Look at the teeny tiny people in the windows.
From Rihanna's "Sledgehammer" music video.

It should but you know it won't.

Ooh look full height windows and the dish edge is a lot more than 2 decks high, how about that I am shocked... shocked!

Not.

You know you will at some point be forced to do a blowup of the image with little arrows pointing to the people then someone else will say they are in fact oompah loompas.

Edit: I see what you did there.

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

Music videos are non-canon.

 

[Gonzo]

Music videos are non-canon.

I just knew you were gonna say that.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Absolutely, irrefutably, the last word. I win. It's over. Go home, 300m people.

 

[Cap.GRPrime1701]

So this confirms that the Enterprise is pretty damn massive?

 

[Draculasaurus]

We don't know what size those people are. It would actually make design sense to put any children way at the front in order to keep them as far away from the brewery as possible.

 

[publiusr]

Heh--the TAS enterprise would have to be this large to hold its shuttlebay.

Just substitute 947 meters for feet.

Problem solved.

Call it a typo

 

[Kemaiku]

725 meters it is then. And to think, they'll build something bigger to replace her.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

CBS also told Cryptic that the ship was 725 meters in length too, hence:

https://i.imgur.com/RVFKE56.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmTSUNUXgAEkIUu.jpg:large

 

[Tuskin38]

Well wouldn't the Beyond Connie be longer then 725 meters because the nacelles are further back?

The one in STO is from XI/STID

 

[Tuskin38]

Absolutely, irrefutably, the last word. I win. It's over. Go home, 300m people.

Those corridors look smaller then those in that one shot from
into Darkness

 

[Gonzo]

So this confirms that the Enterprise is pretty damn massive?

It always was but a few were in deep denial over it.

I mean DEEEEP denial, it was confirmed by the designers years ago that it was 725m.

Some still could not accept it though, I personally think the new Enterprise looks great.

 

[Gonzo]

CBS also told Cryptic that the ship was 725 meters in length too, hence:

https://i.imgur.com/RVFKE56.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmTSUNUXgAEkIUu.jpg:large

The new ship looks so much better when placed side by side with the old version, I just find it more believable.

 

[TheFlutteringHorde]

Absolutely, irrefutably, the last word. I win. It's over. Go home, 300m people.

Visual evidence can't melt fandom beams.

 

[Saul]

Absolutely, irrefutably, the last word. I win. It's over. Go home, 300m people.

There.Are.Four. Lights!

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

Let me ask something directly to advocates of the big Enterprise:

1). Do you accept that the Kelvin timeline is an alternate timeline spun directly from the Original Series franchise?

2). Given this, do you believe that there were starships prior to the Constitution class USS Enterprise, which were far bigger? (I.E. before the timeline split).

The reason I ask this is that we see several ships which appear to be contemporary in age to the USS Kelvin, such as:

Now, I know they are never actually seen contemporary to the USS Kelvin, but generally, in Trekdom, it is taken for granted that vessels sharing the same type of warp nacelles are roughly contemporary.

So, if you answered yes to both of the above questions, there are two possibilities:

1). There existed ships MUCH MUCH larger than the Constitution class, decades prior to it's launch (which seemed to be Starfleet's premiere front-line starship and deep space explorer in TOS).

2). The new Enterprise is in fact on the smaller scale of around 300m.

 

[INACTIVEUSS Einstein]

I can certainly see why Bernd Schnieder and all the other folk who like to analyse ships would not like this new size - basically, even the decades old support ships would be bigger than the Enterprise D - the saucer that the Enterprise dodges in orbit around Vulcan would be bigger than the Enterprise D's saucer.

To call people like him deluded and all those other things is hard to fathom - its more than just a stylistic opinion; the opinion is born of a fairly logical inference - i.e. "it is unlikely that ships far more huge than the original Constitution class existed decades before Kirk's era - and it is likely that the ships depicted around Vulcan were of the same generation as the USS Kelvin". The only other solution I can think of is that the new movies are just a complete reboot and not linked to the old franchise in any way.

Yes this also presents problems - but frankly, on Trek we have discounted evidence of scale before.

 

[BillJ]

1). There existed ships MUCH MUCH larger than the Constitution class, decades prior to it's launch (which seemed to be Starfleet's premiere front-line starship and deep space explorer in TOS).

Why can't a premiere ship be smaller? Not really seeing a problem.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Let me ask something directly to advocates of the big Enterprise:

1). Do you accept that the Kelvin timeline is an alternate timeline spun directly from the Original Series franchise?

Yep.

2). Given this, do you believe that there were starships prior to the Constitution class USS Enterprise, which were far bigger? (I.E. before the timeline split).

Yep. They built them bigger in those days. That doesn't make them more advanced.

The reason I ask this is that we see several ships which appear to be contemporary in age to the USS Kelvin, such as:

Now, I know they are never actually seen contemporary to the USS Kelvin, but generally, in Trekdom, it is taken for granted that vessels sharing the same type of warp nacelles are roughly contemporary.

So, if you answered yes to both of the above questions, there are two possibilities:

1). There existed ships MUCH MUCH larger than the Constitution class, decades prior to it's launch (which seemed to be Starfleet's premiere front-line starship and deep space explorer in TOS).

Is it that unbelievable that in one history, say, Admiral Marcus pushed for starships to continue getting larger and more aggressive whereas in another, Admiral Nogura wanted them smaller, sleeker and geared more towards exploration? One could argue the things the original Enterprise faced in TOS led to Starfleet Prime then taking a similar bigger/badder route with the USS Excelsior and her successors.

2). The new Enterprise is in fact on the smaller scale of around 300m.

I've got no problem with people saying that they think the new ship should be the same size as the original, and that they think they made a mistake in upscaling it. My issue is with people ignoring a mountain of visual evidence and the stated word and intent of the ship's designers because they think they know better.