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BREAKING: Official Fan Film Guidelines Issued

On Vic - I watched that interview. Vic is pure class.

Apparently, Fort Collins Comic Con has a negative thing or two to say on the subject. It seems the majority responses in the comments agree with it. Of course it's framed as David vs. Goliath, and that CBS/P has angered the fans and made a grave mistake. I responded with a reason as to why it wasn't as bad as they think it is, and I was greeted with a "fuck you" less than a minute later, so I feel welcome already. :lol:

I read that article earlier this morning. The comments make me sick. A friend posted a link in facebook group that I'm part of - and first comment was "Axanar needs to stop stoking the fire" Sadly they problably won't, as they have got fans who believe their shit. Now, I'm careful where I talk about this - as some people just don't get it.
 
...as some people just don't get it.
It is stunning how many people don't understand any of this.

For one thing because fanfilms have been in existence for quite some time many have assumed it's all perfectly legal and okay.

Wrong.

By very definition ALL fan productions have ALWAYS been illegal and in violation of CBS/P's IP. At any time CBS/P could issue a C&D and shut anyone and everyone down at their discretion.

You can't be more restrictive than that.
 
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Actually, the Guidelines DON'T explicitly say they won't raise an objection or pursue legal action - they say they PROBABLY won't; and further state no official authorization is conferred nor are the guidelines an official license for anything.

I disagree. They say precisely that they won't:

Therefore, CBS and Paramount Pictures will not object to, or take legal action against, Star Trek fan productions that are non-professional and amateur and meet the following guidelines...

They do indeed say that can change the guidelines at any time, but that likely will only have effects going forward from any change, not retroactively. There are concepts in law that if someone relies on your promise you can't freely say "Ha! Just kidding!".
 
Unless under contract, I don't think CBS can prevent them from lending their talents to a fan film. We are talking not just of actors, but writers, arts, and the like. Even gaffers or interns, who would not cause a big draw by any means. This would likely include consulting for effect from the likes of the mentioned Doug Drexler or Andrew Probert.

Correct. CBS can't prevent them. But CBS can choose to file infringement lawsuits against any production that uses them.
 
It sure seems like the intent is that people who've made professional Trek can't make amateur Trek.
 
Okay, so the hour long series of Fan Films can't happen anymore. I get it. That is disappointing.

But come on, now we get Star Trek Anthology Fan Films. 2 part episodes adding up to a half hour each. This could be FUN! Like the early days of TV when some shows were only 15 minutes on the DuMont Network.

I'll miss STC and Phase 2, absolutely, but let's try to be excited about the possibilities.
 
No current fan film will survive this - every one violates several rules and it unlikely that they will still be around, or even grandfathered into existing. From Professional Actors (SAG/AFTRA), to length to being a "Series", to Former Trek Actors - there's not a single on. I suspect it's backlash from fans that is keeping CBS from doing Massive C&Ds thus far. But why publish rules if no to enforce them?

Who'd guess that "Renegades" would be the one to find a way out to survive?
 
On Vic - I watched that interview. Vic is pure class.



I read that article earlier this morning. The comments make me sick. A friend posted a link in facebook group that I'm part of - and first comment was "Axanar needs to stop stoking the fire" Sadly they problably won't, as they have got fans who believe their shit. Now, I'm careful where I talk about this - as some people just don't get it.


I have been posting in that truck wreck of a blog (the fort collins one) a lot of people there who don't understand copyright to be sure...hell I was even accused of being a corporate shill there :P
 
I have been posting in that truck wreck of a blog (the fort collins one) a lot of people there who don't understand copyright to be sure...hell I was even accused of being a corporate shill there :P

I've been posting there as well. Many, many folks who don't understand a simple concept like ownership, though I bet they would understand it if it was their property. :lol:
 
Been off line for a few days, sorry for the long response.

That sounds like precisely what happened. Granted, we're guessing a bit blind, but I think even looking at the way Alec Peters is behaving is evidence enough, at least, that he's purposely poking the bear to get this kind of reaction.

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So Peters was ripping off the IP of The Producers, too! :)

(Instead of making something so bad it gets shut down on opening night and you pocket the money, you make something infringes so bad it gets shut down and you pocket the money.)

Hell if he just didn't say how much he got could pocketed a lot of money.

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Thanks! At this point I'm just hoping to get to finish Mudd in Your I.
I think one could make a fine short film in 15 minutes with some interesting characterization and events, but if Star Trek had been a single 15 minute short that aired in 1966 it's a little hard to imagine that we would be having this conversation today. What made Star Trek memorable was its characters in all their strengths, weaknesses, idiosyncrasies and backstories, and characters like that take time to establish. And to further the thought, imagine creating a great character like Spock, and then having him only appear once in a 15 minute short, ever, with no chance of any further adventures or stories with him. Seems like kind of a waste.
I hope they will give a grandfather period to let people finish what has been started, since so many people have invested so much, and that is not just because I have a line or two, Aurora and Yorktown are the two I really was looking forward to.
And to your point Trek had two pilots to get started ...

I don't see how Alec Peters or Robert Burnett are responsible for Paramount/CBS imposing all these restrictions. It's interesting, or not so interesting, to see Paramount directly stipulate that producing DVD bonus features makes one a constrained professional.
In my view prohibiting people who made the actual products from making their own non-profit material, especially by reprising their characters, is pretty awful and the only valid reason for copyright restrictions is to prohibit people from monetarily profiting from someone/thing else's concepts. Otherwise it's just prohibiting works that would promote and/or compete with your own products, the latter interpretation indicating a great deal of insecurity.



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Okay, so the hour long series of Fan Films can't happen anymore. I get it. That is disappointing.

But come on, now we get Star Trek Anthology Fan Films. 2 part episodes adding up to a half hour each. This could be FUN! Like the early days of TV when some shows were only 15 minutes on the DuMont Network.

I'll miss STC and Phase 2, absolutely, but let's try to be excited about the possibilities.

I thought about that, but if I say you had the performer who was last month's Captain Jones now playing the Engineer Smith, would that not become an anthology series ?
What a fluff piece, my god, how much would Alec pay a person to kiss his arse like this... at 14 min Alec says that 95% of the world blames CBS….
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I accept the 15-30 minutes limits and it creates a creative challenge, I understand the lack of letting folks have a series, but again outside of a few hundred, maybe a thousand these are not household names ...I can not imagine the ST NV and Farragut made money off of their open house/conventions.

As for CBS making money off of FF I could see them getting a few pennies in banner ads on a fan film page buried deep in the ether, but not millions. The value might come from marketing intelligence, hey folks really like this kind of story, or this time period is trending well now...
 
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I have been posting in that truck wreck of a blog (the fort collins one) a lot of people there who don't understand copyright to be sure...hell I was even accused of being a corporate shill there :P
Yeah, they're very... opinionated there.

I've been posting there as well. Many, many folks who don't understand a simple concept like ownership, though I bet they would understand it if it was their property. :lol:
I have been threatened with a ban by the moderator for "ad hominem attacks," which is the same bullshit Terry McIntosh used to pull on the Axanar site to get rid of people with minimum fuss. So I know my time there is short. I said my piece, though. I even wished them well, because I really do wish them well. I just can't agree with their limited understanding of how the world works.
 
"True Fans" want someone to blame? All they have to do is look in the mirror. As many of them enabled Alec Peters even after it was clear he was a con-artist.

Well, I'm guilty of that (as I've said in many posts as I Pledged $75 to the first Axanar feature KS); but it was due to poor diligence on my part as I pledged BEFORE I realized (from further research done after Pledging) that Alec Peters was a grifter and a real sleeze when it came to ANY attempted business venture he's been heavily involved with in the past.
 
Well, I'm guilty of that (as I've said in many posts as I Pledged $75 to the first Axanar feature KS); but it was due to poor diligence on my part as I pledged BEFORE I realized (from further research done after Pledging) that Alec Peters was a grifter and a real sleeze when it came to ANY attempted business venture he's been heavily involved with in the past.
I don't think @BillJ would include you in that indictment. I know I wouldn't. Alec conned a lot of people, because he has enough charisma and personal charm (when not angry) to get people's attention, to garner their trust. I do think that, at first, the film was the goal, but when the money started rolling in, he couldn't help himself and it became more than just a mere film. There was a media empire to build.
 
Well, I'm guilty of that (as I've said in many posts as I Pledged $75 to the first Axanar feature KS); but it was due to poor diligence on my part as I pledged BEFORE I realized (from further research done after Pledging) that Alec Peters was a grifter and a real sleeze when it came to ANY attempted business venture he's been heavily involved with in the past.

Everyone makes mistakes. This is what I posted on another forum...

Money did trash fan films, the money Alec Peters paid to himself and to build a studio for personal gain. How can people keep trying to blame CBS for the actions of this man is beyond me?

Maybe if you all had got together and openly denounced the actions of Alec Peters before this got out of hand, CBS would've never come to this point. Instead, many of you cheered him on.

Now it's biting you in the rear end.

You figured it out. Many continue to stick their collective heads in the sand.
 
Well, I'm guilty of that (as I've said in many posts as I Pledged $75 to the first Axanar feature KS); but it was due to poor diligence on my part as I pledged BEFORE I realized (from further research done after Pledging) that Alec Peters was a grifter and a real sleeze when it came to ANY attempted business venture he's been heavily involved with in the past.
Don't beat yourself up, if I had not been really strapped for cash I was going to donate a few bucks, and I really liked Prelude, not the greatest thing ever, but enjoyable.
 
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