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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Chemahkuu said:
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He literally just gave me a fucking medal. I don't even know anymore. :lol:



I know, he's loving this little argument.
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He really is a whiny, pissy guy. I didn't want to believe it before, but I was wrong. He's hung around with Alec so long, maybe they're perfect for one another after all.
 
Tom Servo said:
While these rules seem slightly over the top, you can't blame Paramount and CBS for it.

GOOD JOB ALEX! Way to ruin it for everyone.
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The interesting thing is: Alec peters and Axanar were touting the fact that Disney had rules for Star Wars Fan Films; and urging CBS and Paramount to adopt similar rules. The interesting thing to note is that as strict as these new Star Trek Fan Film Guidelines are, they are actually LESS draconian the Disney 'Star Wars' fan film guidelines.

Also, the opening statement at:
http://www.startrek.com/fan-films

CBS and Paramount Pictures are big believers in reasonable fan fiction and fan creativity, and, in particular, want amateur fan filmmakers to showcase their passion for Star Trek. Therefore, CBS and Paramount Pictures will not object to, or take legal action against, Star Trek fan productions that are non-professional and amateur and meet the following guidelines.
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Doesn't explicitly state that they WILL ALWAYS take action if the above is violated - just that they MAY raise an objection or MAY take legal action.

IMO - It probably means that the Star Trek Continues group as well as the Renagades group might be allowed to continue and complete what they already announced they'll be doing; but any group starting up a new Fan Film project going forward now, runs a grater risk if the Guidelines are not followed. But again, that's conjecture on my part.

The situation remains that CBS and or Paramount are free to selectively go after anyone who doesn't obtain an IP License from them to produce something Star Trek related; but does decide to produce something Star Trek related.

As for Axanar in particular - "It's dead Jim." - 100%. CBS and Paramount have already raised the ultimate objection to Axanar by filing and pursuing the lawsuit; and further since Axanar Productions and Alec Peters have claimed IN COURT FILINGS that:
"No finalized/locked Axanar script exists."

I'm pretty sure ANY settlement with regard to the continuation of Axanar production will include a provision to the effect of: "Yes, you can, but ONLY if you completely follow the new Star Trek Fan Film guidelines that CBS and Paramount have set forth."

Hilariously (but sadly for many Star Trek fan film fans and groups), in the end, with regard to Star Trek Fan Film Guidelines, Alec Peters, Robert Meyer Burnett and hell, David Gerrold got EXACTLY what they were asking for from CBS and Paramount in their Tweets/Facebook Posts/Blogs. <--- So again, the old saying applies: "Be careful what you wish for.."
 
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"Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" Uhura, ST: TSFS, and to think folks that "claim" to be "true trek fans" forgot about that exchange... and yet, here we are...
 
There's no way Alec and Axanar get to spin this positively. Today Alec is probably the most hated man in Star Trek fandom and he'll always be known as the guy who killed fan films. Way to go asshole.

What the inevitable book covers to the chronicle of this fiasco might look like:

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Seriously, if anyone ever writes a book about how Alec Peters and Axanar fucked it all up and ended fan films as we've known them, feel free to use any of these covers, no strings attached. I'll even make modifications to them for free.
 
Noname Given said:
The situation remains that CBS and or Paramount are free to selectively go after anyone who doesn't obtain an IP License from them to produce something Star Trek related; but does decide to produce something Star Trek related.
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I think the real target of these "guidelines" are the crowdfunding platforms that allowed fan-film groups to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars in the first place. It would not surprise me if these are not eventually adopted by other studios with respect to their own IP. And if I'm Indiegogo or Kickstarter, there's no way I'm allowing any fan film to raise money through my site unless they comply with these rules (and maybe even if they do).
 
jespah said:
They aren't going to be admitted as evidence; I don't see them as being proof of anything. Essentially, per the law, they would be hearsay and it's hearsay that likely does not fit under any exception.

Plus I am quite sure these aren't/cannot effectively be retroactive. This is (I am quite sure) the rule going forward.
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Yep. The fact these Guidelines were released AFTER the lawsuit was filed makes them immaterial. Remember, it's the acts and actions of both the Plaintiff and Defendants PRIOR to the date of the lawsuit being filed that have any baring on the case in chief against Axanar Productions. What the Plaintiffs have done post the date of filing HAS NO BEARING on the case.

Plus if the Defense (they never would because to do so would be the height of stupidity in the current situation); wanted to claim: "Hey those were the guidelines Alec Peters was given..." C/P could then just ask for a Summary Judgment of Damages against Axanar and Alec Peters since it's clear Axanar and Alec Peters violated every one of those 1000 times over.
 
Noname Given said:
The interesting thing is: Alec peters and Axanar were touting the fact that Disney had rules for Star Wars Fan Films; and urging CBS and Paramount to adopt similar rules. The interesting thing to note is that as strict as these new Star Trek Fan Film Guidelines are, they are actually LESS draconian the Disney 'Star Wars' fan film guidelines.

Also, the opening statement at:
http://www.startrek.com/fan-films


^^^
Doesn't explicitly state that they WILL ALWAYS take action if the above is violated - just that they MAY raise an objection or MAY take legal action.

IMO - It probably means that the Star Trek Continues group as well as the Renagades might be allowed to continue and complete what they already announced they'll be doing; but any group starting up a new Fan Film project going forward now, runs a grater risk if the Guidelines are not followed. But again, that's conjecture on my part.

The situation remains that CBS and or Paramount are free to selectively go after anyone who doesn't obtain an IP License from them to produce something Star Trek related; but does decide to produce something Star Trek related.

As for Axanar in particular - "It's dead Jim." - 100%. CBS and Paramount have already raised the ultimate objection to Axanar by filing and pursuing the lawsuit; and further since Axanar Productions and Alec Peters have claimed IN COURT FILINGS that:
"No finalized/locked Axanar script exists."

I'm pretty sure ANY settlement with regard to the continuation of Axanar production will include a provision to the effect of: "Yes, you can, but ONLY if you completely follow the new Star Trek Fan Film guidelines that CBS and Paramount have set forth."

Hilariously (but sadly for many Star Trek fan film fans and groups), in the end, with regard to Star Trek Fan Film Guidelines, Alec Peters, Robert Meyer Burnett and hell, David Gerrold got EXACTLY what they were asking for from CBS and Paramount in their Tweets/Facebook Posts/Blogs. <--- So again, the old saying applies: "Be careful what you wish for.."
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You raised a good point, something I and I think a lot of other people overlooked in the midst of all the torches and pitchforks here.

It would be hugely ironic (not to mention incredibly generous) if C/P let existing fan productions (Renegades, Phase II et al) continue while Lord Alec and the rest of his kool-aid slurping acolytes got hammered by the courts........
 
The message here to Axanar is: if you think we're going to give you more favorable terms in the settlement for completing your film than we're offering to the other fan films out there, you're nuts.

Therefore, RMB now knows it's over. If LFIM isn't completely delusional, he knows it too.
 
AP & RMB today - To everything... Spin Spin Spin... There is a season... Spin Spin Spin... ( with huge apologies to The Byrds )
 
The Lensman said:
There's no way Alec and Axanar get to spin this positively.
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I don't know. I'm in waiting mode on this. I suspect that between the defendant & Mr. Bawden (& possibly Ms. Ranahan too) there is possibly enough talent there to put just such a spin on it. Very talented in this area, them. And all three of them can be quoted multiple times for their want and 'the' need for guidelines. With Star Wars being held as example multiple times.

However, now that these guidelines have arrived - in a much more generous set than SW is boxed into - these new guidelines directly address multiple things the production and defendant in this litigation have used for their cornerstone....... sooooo

I see the possibility of a heavy 'victim' spin too.

And I have no doubt that however it is spun, either or both will fly and be embraced without hesitation by the Followers of this production and producer.
 
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ThankYouGeneR said:
I don't know. I'm in waiting mode on this. I suspect that between the defendant & Mr. Bawden (& possibly Ms. Ranahan too) there is a possibility enough talent there to put just such a spin on it. Very talented in this area, them. And all three of them can be quoted multiple times for their want and 'the' need for guidelines. With Star Wars being held as example multiple times.

However, now that these guideline have arrived - in a much more generous set than SW is boxed into - these new guidelines directly addresses multiple things the production and defendant in this litigation have used for their cornerstone....... sooooo

I see the possibility of a heavy 'victim' spin too.

And I have no doubt that however it is spun, either or both will fly and be embraced without hesitation by the Followers of this production and producer.
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Believe me, I've already seen it from some friends. It's not Alec's fault, nuh uh, nope, and if you believe it is you're a corporate shill.
 
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