CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[Reilly]

Having digested things a bit, so these form the barrier whereby you officially won't be sued, which shows why they're so restrictive and that kind of makes sense (although perhaps then slightly odd they didn't just axe crowdfunding as well).

It doesn't mean Continues etc couldn't carry on, reasonably safe in the knowledge that CBS has left them alone, it's just that meeting the guidelines is more of a safety net.

 

[Danlav05]

Having digested things a bit, so these form the barrier whereby you officially won't be sued, which shows why they're so restrictive and that kind of makes sense (although perhaps then slightly odd they didn't just axe crowdfunding as well).

It doesn't mean Continues etc couldn't carry on, reasonably safe in the knowledge that CBS has left them alone, it's just that meeting the guidelines is more of a safety net.

No doubt throughout the day we will have official reactions from groups

 

[Admiral2]

Well! We are going to have a lot to talk about on Sunday.

Quick preliminary thoughts:

• Good-bye reprising roles (hey, we mentioned that)
• Good-bye Queen Bitch Vulcan of the Federation of whatever the utterly out of place slur was
• Good-bye merch and any corporeal perks (hey, we mentioned that)
• Good-bye serious fundraising (Hello, Tommy Kraft and his ilk)
• Good-bye series and continuing story lines

Good bye fun. Goodbye guilty trekkie pleasure. Goodbye any new TOS trek on any small screen past teasers and skits. Goodbye to a good thing.

The only good thing about this is the goodbye to LOOORDFIM and his ilk forever.

 

[Woulfe]

AP, well, you wanted Lucasfilm style Guidelines, you got them, happy now ?
~ rolls eyes a lot ~

 

[Shaw]

"Everyone thinks that because of this we might bring the era of fan films down to a crashing end - we’ve nuked fan films forever," Burnett said. "To me, that’s the worst thing in the world if people think that of us."​

Amazing.

 

[Squiggy]

"Everyone thinks that because of this we might bring the era of fan films down to a crashing end - we’ve nuked fan films forever," Burnett said. "To me, that’s the worst thing in the world if people think that of us."​

Amazing.

 

[muCephi]

so fan films can or cannot reference the IP storylines, characters, and visuals of commercial Trek?

and how exactly does any pewpew survive this? isn't attempting to kill other beings intrinsically threatening, hateful, and offensive? What about eating meat? What about speaking stupid dialog, isn't that offensive to readers of Lem?

What's left: gradeschool plays captured on youtube, and IRS videos.

he fan production must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. Videos must not include profanity, nudity, obscenity, pornography, depictions of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or any harmful or illegal activity, or any material that is offensive, fraudulent, defamatory, libelous, disparaging, sexually explicit, threatening, hateful, or any other inappropriate content. The content of the fan production cannot violate any individual’s right of privacy.
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Since these guidelines completely blast away Axanar's business model and stated goals, one wonders if they will now just settle for Alec agreeing to never do Trek again, and leave him and the Axanar investors and etc to the tender mercies of the screwed donors and fans.

 

[uniderth]

The fan production must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. Videos must not include profanity, nudity, obscenity, pornography, depictions of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or any harmful or illegal activity, or any material that is offensive, fraudulent, defamatory, libelous, disparaging, sexually explicit, threatening, hateful, or any other inappropriate content. The content of the fan production cannot violate any individual’s right of privacy.

I will be offended by any line of dialogue or scene no matter what the content.

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and leave him and the Axanar investors and etc to the tender mercies of the screwed donors and fans.

Bwahahaha!

 

[muCephi]

perhaps most importantly for the Axanar saga, can they find a way to spin off a pure-fan staffed group to do any sort of 'super high quality' production that is sufficiently Trekkish and somehow tells a Garth / Axanar story, and thereby save face and avoid crowdfunded lawsuits? The guidelines would seem to grandfather in the funds they have now.

 

[Csalem]

One maybe for @jespah, though anyone who knows can answer, but will these guidelines have any impact on the Axanar case? Can they be used in evidence for example if it goes ahead?

 

[Karen O'Shea]

One maybe for @jespah, though anyone who knows can answer, but will these guidelines have any impact on the Axanar case? Can they be used in evidence for example if it goes ahead?

I'm *not a lawyer by training* but I'm pretty sure these rules can't be enforced retroactively.

 

[OtherGene]

Christian Gossett comments on the new trailer.

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Wowsers. "We put every dollar on that screen" That's pretty damning.

 

[jespah]

One maybe for @jespah, though anyone who knows can answer, but will these guidelines have any impact on the Axanar case? Can they be used in evidence for example if it goes ahead?

They aren't going to be admitted as evidence; I don't see them as being proof of anything. Essentially, per the law, they would be hearsay and it's hearsay that likely does not fit under any exception.

Plus I am quite sure these aren't/cannot effectively be retroactive. This is (I am quite sure) the rule going forward.

 

[Admiral2]

I'm *not a lawyer by training* but I'm pretty sure these rules can't be enforced retroactively.

They're already being enforced retroactively, by virtue of the lawsuit keeping the Axanar film being made. If you mean they can't do anything about films that have already been made, all C/P have to do is file copyright claims with video sites (like Youtube) where the previous films are uploaded and those sites will take them down.

 

[jespah]

Actually, in the most recent ruling, the judge said there was nothing keeping the film from being made. And there still isn't. It would be foolish to make it, but there are no prior restraints and there is no injunction.

 

[dmac]

Well! We are going to have a lot to talk about on Sunday.

Quick preliminary thoughts:

• Good-bye reprising roles (hey, we mentioned that)
• Good-bye Queen Bitch Vulcan of the Federation of whatever the utterly out of place slur was
• Good-bye merch and any corporeal perks (hey, we mentioned that)
• Good-bye serious fundraising (Hello, Tommy Kraft and his ilk)
• Good-bye series and continuing story lines

@jespah I hope you will offer an opinion over this:

"Creators of fan productions must not seek to register their works, nor any elements of the works, under copyright or trademark law."
The reason is that I do register some of my scripts because that are adaptations of other work I've done.

 

[RedForman]

Christian Gossett comments on the new trailer.

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http://www.startrek.com/fan-films

Good job Alec, you egotistical piece of shit. Hope you're happy now.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cleh4PXXEAEWa8c.jpg:large

 

[Karen O'Shea]

They're already being enforced retroactively, by virtue of the lawsuit keeping the Axanar film being made. If you mean they can't do anything about films that have already been made, all C/P have to do is file copyright claims with video sites (like Youtube) where the previous films are uploaded and those sites will take them down.

There is no injunction from CBS/P over Axanar. They are free to make the film. It's stated very clearly in the court docs. *shrug*

 

[jespah]

@jespah I hope you will offer an opinion over this:

"Creators of fan productions must not seek to register their works, nor any elements of the works, under copyright or trademark law."
The reason is that I do register some of my scripts because that are adaptations of other work I've done.

I don't want to tell you the wrong thing. Best thing I can probably tell you is to seek representation (e. g. someone who's an IP lawyer, which I am not) and ask. I don't want you getting into any sort of trouble and would rather see you safe.

 

[Admiral2]

Actually, in the most recent ruling, the judge said there was nothing keeping the film from being made. And there still isn't. It would be foolish to make it, but there are no prior restraints and there is no injunction.

Fine, but I'm not entirely convinced that there's no way the IP holders can enforce the guidelines retroactively. They don't have to un-make already made films...just take down the non-compliant ones.