Saavik's Pregnancy
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I always thought he was in his teens but a quick search reveals that he might have been 21-ish the first time.
That sounds like BS to me, or someone presenting their personal speculation as fact. Kirstie Alley was not overweight at all in 1991, and the ST movie uniforms were not "form-fitting." I mean, c'mon, Shatner and Doohan were wearing them. They were the bulkiest uniforms Trek ever had.Memory Alpha said:
You mean like this?I wonder if audiences who weren't intimately familiar with the series, and never saw "Amok Time," knew what was going on with that scene.
Would some expository dialog from Saavik have been helpful?
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Yes, adult life, plus I didn't want to post 14 year old Spock..... doing that.
Plus, I'd like to make the point of what years are we talking about? Vulcan years? Earth years?
Dog years? We really don't know and we don't know really how old Spock was when he died and then was he the same exact age when they brought him back, he seemed a bit younger to me. I mentioned 6 times, it could have been less or more. Or maybe the compression of aging made it just once.
Plus, I'd like to make the point of what years are we talking about? Vulcan years? Earth years?
Dog years? We really don't know and we don't know really how old Spock was when he died and then was he the same exact age when they brought him back, he seemed a bit younger to me. I mentioned 6 times, it could have been less or more. Or maybe the compression of aging made it just once.
I have no problem resolving why Saavik wasn't impregnated by her undead, thrice-her-age, boss and teacher.
Spock is a hybrid. Hybrids are sterile.
Spock is a hybrid. Hybrids are sterile.
If you're talking about her appearing alongside Kelsey Grammer at the end of "Cause and Effect," again, that was while she was still doing Cheers and before she had any weight problem. And again, it was also in the TWOK uniforms which weren't as skintight and revealing as the TNG uniforms.
That all makes sense, so it probably wasn't a true rumor. That's just how I heard it years ago.
I wonder if audiences who weren't intimately familiar with the series, and never saw "Amok Time," knew what was going on with that scene.
Would some expository dialog from Saavik have been helpful?
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I think general audiences, while not necessarily getting the whole 'Pon Farr/Mate or DIE!' subtext, would at least have taken away the vibe of "Spock is going through puberty and is a horny teenager". Which is enough context for them to understand the scene, but which probably does make Saavik's decision to sleep with him a little creepier.
Alternatively, we might suggest that Saavik was 'bonded' with Spock, ie like T'Pring was bonded with him in his (first) youth. This may or may not involve sex in the scene, although if he was going through his age so quickly then moments after the bonding they might well have had to have sex as well, but it also opens up the possibility that the wedding Picard attended later in life was between Spock and Saavik, carrying through with their bonding. I admit this may stretch what we think we know about Pon Farr, but I don't think anything on screen disputes it....
I doubt that was a concern. When has that ever been a consideration in STAR TREK? We've had any number of hybrid characters: half Romulan, half-Cardassian, half-Klingon, etcetera, and this issue has never been brought up before. Certainly, Spock never mentioned being sterile, nor did T'Pring use this as grounds to call off their wedding, which she certainly would have had that argument been available. And being a Human-Klingon hybrid certainly didn't stop Worf's old flame from getting pregnant. Ditto for B'Elanna Torres.
And Romulans and Vulcans are pretty much the same species anyway. Much more so than, say, Humans and Vulcans.
I can't imagine that anybody working on ST IV was worried about such matters, since STAR TREK as a whole has never worried about it.
Vulcans and Romulans should be the *only* species in all of Star Trek able to cross breed, since they're one race separated by a slight multi-generational gap. Every other combination should be totally impossible but magic sperm obviously exists in all sapeint Trek races.
^ Yep. Established in "The Chase".
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