STC Ep. 6: "Come Not Between The Dragons" grading and discussion....(possible spoilers)
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The musical score was good and appropriate for the episode.
I think I'd much rather Vic Mignona played Kirk rather than played Shatner. He seems to be channelling a gestalt version of a pinch of Kirk, a dash of Shatner and a smidgen of Picard and some other influences.
But to date, this is still the closest to an actor actually playing Kirk:
this is a really nice mini, and its gives you hope for New Voyages going forward, but in the two episodes ive seen him as Kirk he has been unimpressive both times. The first one Kirk is being mentally tortured, so that may explain it, but his second episode (the first one filmed) he comes across as a boy pretending to be Kirk. Its actually like he is playing someone pretending to be Kirk.
I of course think that Vic is great in the role as Kirk, but no one is ever going to be Shatner, but the over all quality and professional standard displayed by Continues helps sell him as Kirk, over and before others.
For the sake of balance I am being a little bit unfair on New Voyages, im sure like many World Enough and Time was the first fan film I ever watched, and as I saw others, I saw how that production raised their own bar for that episode.
No fan film actor has been able to capture the charm or sparkle that Shatner and Pine bring to the role of Kirk.
Agreed, Gross channels too much Richie Cunningham for my taste.
I'm hoping Vic will someday find his character of Kirk; I do believe he has the range to do so. I agree none has capture those elements yet because they're too invested on being William Shatner.
That's ridiculous since Gross is the appropriate age to play Kirk from that era. No one here can say Vic is the appropriate age to play James Kirk from Star Trek from that 60's era. Come on. Give me a break. Vic would be more appropriate for the character of Kirk in The Wrath of Khan era than of Star Trek.
Doubly so.
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Age has nothing to do with it, Gross has this naivete in his performance which reminds me a bit of Ron Howard in the captain's chair and quite frankly is unrecognizable as Kirk. If I didn't know about the production sequence, I would have guessed that Gross' Kirk hasn't recovered from the Mind Sifter, but of course, whatever "mojo" was taken by the Mind Sifter, he never had in the first place. At least Vic is recognizable as Kirk in whatever 'era' you choose. To me he fits in the 5th year of the mission.
Yep.
The orchestra on episode 6 was about the same size as on the score to episode 4 "The White Iris". Episode 5 had a slightly smaller group with fewer strings. More like the group that played on TOS score like "The Doomsday Machine" or "Friday's Child".
I have to say the music is superb in "Come Not Between the Dragons." I like how you worked in Fred Steiner's "Empath" themes.
Agreed! Andy's contributions to the episodes are a big highlight. I'm hoping we get an unofficial STC soundtrack set somewhere down the line.
The Empath was scored by George Duning. He was the eldest of all the TOS composers but, in many ways, his scores are the most "modern". Anyway, I didn't incorporate any Empath themes into the score, I only transcribed and re-recorded that one Empath cue with a few alterations to fit our scene. However, I do use two of Sandy Courage's motifs. One is the "Kirk" motif that Courage uses all over the place in WNMHGB, and the other is a bit of Courage's alternate theme, also from WNMHGB.
I stand corrected.
I didn't think I'd like Vic Mignogna as Kirk, I didn't particularly want to. Then when I first watched him in the role I thought his voice being the wrong timbre would kill it. I forgot about that after five minutes.
He does 99 things right that a lot of actors playing Kirk don't even know are variables to begin with.
He does 99 things right that a lot of actors playing Kirk don't even know are variables to begin with.
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