Yes, I've noted that and haven't yet seen an explanation of that studio's approach to fan films. Have you? The contest clearly doesn't itself prohibit all other productions. My impression has been they have also been playing the unstated boundaries game. Have any star wars fanfilms tried to make a permanent studio out of their fundraising or sold toys unlicensed?
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Yes, I've noted that and haven't yet seen an explanation of that studio's approach to fan films. Have you? The contest clearly doesn't itself prohibit all other productions. My impression has been they have also been playing the unstated boundaries game. Have any star wars fanfilms tried to make a permanent studio out of their fundraising or sold toys unlicensed?
No, there's not going to be a refinding or rewrite of copyright law. There's no 'interpretation' here, just a desire for a small group of people to say that copyright law shouldn't apply to them.
I've been saying this since day one, having worked tangentially in this realm before. Not only are they watching, but there's a fair chance other big IP creators like Disney, WB, Universal and a myriad of others are talking to P/C about what to do next, because a landmark type judgement, even if small, would affect them all.
It's interesting: that the "This Product, the promotion thereof...[etc.]" disclaimer is the same disclaimer that appears at the end of Prelude to Axanar. However, Prelude... includes one additional sentence that this teaser doesn't contain:
"STAR TREK and all related marks, logos and characters are owned by CBS Studios, Inc."
This sentence of the disclaimer was omitted from the teaser.
No one is saying it will rewrite copyright law, but it could have far-reaching effects on how brand owners deal with/tolerate/protect their IP with regards to fan-generated content.
Again, I really don't think so. Any amount of common sense shows where Alec and crew crossed the lines, and did so (and continues to do so) more than once. There's not a lot of wiggle room when you actually say "I'm taking your IP, directly competing against you, and with the intention of making money from it." There's nothing 'fan' about that and everyone here, Axanar supporter or not, knows it.
That's' why this thread feels like a bunch of people watching a bad trainwreck.. because that's really what it is at this point. We're seeing just how far the conductor wants to go off the rails, not if the train's ever going to reach its destination.
that is both interesting and disturbing.
To be fair, Rod Serling used to put big words into the mouths of people that never would know what they meant, but there's only one Rod Serling.
Train wrecks are accidental and tragic. To me, this feels more like listening to the arguments of a 5 year old who won't let go of enough candy to get his hand out of the jar.
IP law, not Copyright Law, IP law came about due to the internet & how computer software made it easy to make SFX of nearly Hollywood level, the studios went before congress to write up new laws to protect their IPs in part of this new medium making it possible to have a small crew & make a film on a dime ( not literally mind you ) I keep forgetting it's actual name.
DRCM ? Something like that, but it's brand spanking new & hasn't really been challenged, until AP came along.
DRCM ? Something like that, but it's brand spanking new & hasn't really been challenged, until AP came along.
I thought DMCA was non-liability of ISPs, and penalties for breaking encryption. Not really clear how it overlaps the Axanar case.
KERRRRRRRRRRRRN!
An interesting choice.
It's a totally vapid and useless slug-line too.The new teaser is probably just to excite the True Believers and get them to donate more cash.
"The Federation Stands United."
Stands united compared to what? All those other times we saw the Federation as a bunch of squabbling children barely held together?
Like in that episode "Never Aired Because It Didn't Happen"?
That was about direct piracy and fraud, not at all about IP appropriation. Conventional copyright and trademark laws are more than enough for this case. Axanar's entire argument is based around the idea that 'fair use' is so wide and varied that there is no effective thing as intellectual property... that's why there's no way in hell that he can win this, or even be allowed to win.
I think the whole narrative is just a subliminal swap out for "donors and fans we are being assaulted, we will stand united, we will not fail, and here's some elegaic chords and a space sunrise and fantastic looking light-shell-sketches of pretend kiddie warships to help you believe it, so don't talk to each other about a class action"
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I've put out enough fonts this week, dammit!
You're right, but if the judgement has any outcome other than "stomping" Peters, it affects everyone. Even if there is some kind of settlement. The last thing Disney, for example, wants is Paramount conceding anything in a court of law, no matter how small.
Well, we're hitting the discovery phase very soon, and that's not done pro-bono and has real costs that the 'other side' aren't going to be liable for. This will be the first point where Alec will have to pay real money to keep the case going... at that point, I think 'settlement' is off the table anyway, if it isn't already.
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