Doctor Who And The Wrath Of
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Salamander.
Last seen sucked out the TARDIS door into the time vortex, there's the remote chance he's still alive. The obvious problem is the death of Pat Troughton. Unless Peter Capaldi could give a rough approximation of an aged Salamander? He could pull double duty as both the Doctor and Salamander.
Last seen sucked out the TARDIS door into the time vortex, there's the remote chance he's still alive. The obvious problem is the death of Pat Troughton. Unless Peter Capaldi could give a rough approximation of an aged Salamander? He could pull double duty as both the Doctor and Salamander.
Use Reece Shearsmith.
I'll cheat, and say Big Finish's Spare Parts.
Since any movie sequel would have to employ exposition, at least it'd be an on-screen retelling of a plot that a wider audience might not be very familiar with.
Since any movie sequel would have to employ exposition, at least it'd be an on-screen retelling of a plot that a wider audience might not be very familiar with.
Would this be a case where they could use David Troughton? I know there's generally an uproar any time he's mentioned as a possible stand-in for #2 himself.
There are so many to choose from, but if I had to choose one:
The Valeyard: He could have his origins clarified, and get a final fate. In an official capacity, obviously. I know Big Finish attempted to flesh out The Valeyard, but I'm talking about an official explanation and sequel story.
An honorable mention would be The Rani. She'd be a cool villain to see again, as long as they kind of glance past Time and The Rani.
The Valeyard: He could have his origins clarified, and get a final fate. In an official capacity, obviously. I know Big Finish attempted to flesh out The Valeyard, but I'm talking about an official explanation and sequel story.
An honorable mention would be The Rani. She'd be a cool villain to see again, as long as they kind of glance past Time and The Rani.
Considering the Valeyard will probably never be covered in the television series, I'm content in accepting Big Finish's explanation as "official" (although I haven' listened to it yet). Silly notion though considering Doctor Who doesn't even have a canon anyways.
Of course it has canon and not canon. The Valeyard? Canon. The Doctor being an alien from Galifrey who changes bodies when he's near death? Canon.Timelords being born from looms? Noncanon. Peter Cushing as The Doctor? Noncanon. If it didn't have canon, then no Doctor Who story happened according to any other Doctor who story. They would never show any of the old Doctors in the new show, because if there was no canon then there was never a real Doctor before the one on screen at that moment. The show has both continuity and canon, everyone just seems to have different ideas of what that is. Bare minimum, all aired stories (outside of Dimensions in Time) happened and count, even when they contradict each other (it is a time travel show, so condtradictions could be explained away as timeline changes or a bunch of different things).
Also, I know we almost certainly won't see The Valeyard again, or get a real explanation of his backstory or final fate. I took this as more of an "I wish" thing then as something with a realistic chance of happening.
But Peter Cushing was on-screen. Isn't that the main requirement for canonocity?
I've always felt Cushing could simply be a younger Doctor #1, with a younger Susan and a niece we never saw again.
I've always felt Cushing could simply be a younger Doctor #1, with a younger Susan and a niece we never saw again.
Doctor Who doesn't do canon as rigid as some other franchises. And that's the beauty of it, it makes it possible to count whatever the hell you want. Granted some novels or audios or whatever we definitely have to shove into a non-canon bin (for example, I doubt the Doctor experienced the events of Human Nature twice) but otherwise anything goes.
Hell, even some things that became superseded by the show can still be accepted. For example, the return of the show and casting of Eccleston appeared to override Scream of the Shalka and the Richard E Grant Doctor. And while the REG Doctor is probably still in that small definitively non-canon bin, Scream of the Shalka itself could easily be re-interpreted as a younger War Doctor story. The only thing you really need to change is having the Doctor resemble John Hurt instead, but it still works.
Hell, even some things that became superseded by the show can still be accepted. For example, the return of the show and casting of Eccleston appeared to override Scream of the Shalka and the Richard E Grant Doctor. And while the REG Doctor is probably still in that small definitively non-canon bin, Scream of the Shalka itself could easily be re-interpreted as a younger War Doctor story. The only thing you really need to change is having the Doctor resemble John Hurt instead, but it still works.
Given time is somewhat malleable, I support the idea of dead-end timelines, and with that, dead-end incarnations of the Doctor. Essentially, the timeline is changed sufficiently enough to alter the outcome of a regeneration; or the timeline of the Doctor is forced into reverse, causing an unregenration (degeneration?), and his life proceeds differently when his flow of time is restored.
One idea I had for a storyline (if I was in charge of the show - it will never happen) is, when it's known that the actor is leaving at the end of the year in the Christmas special. Announce the next Doctor as normal, then have a surprise regneration at the end of the series into some big name, Hollywood level actor.
The Christmas special would then introduce some anti-time macguffin that would infect the Doctor and rewind him to just before the regeneration. Since he would unexperience events, he would not have any memory of what happened, but the companion would. The promised regeneration would then proceed with the previously advertised successor.
One idea I had for a storyline (if I was in charge of the show - it will never happen) is, when it's known that the actor is leaving at the end of the year in the Christmas special. Announce the next Doctor as normal, then have a surprise regneration at the end of the series into some big name, Hollywood level actor.
The Christmas special would then introduce some anti-time macguffin that would infect the Doctor and rewind him to just before the regeneration. Since he would unexperience events, he would not have any memory of what happened, but the companion would. The promised regeneration would then proceed with the previously advertised successor.
That's an interesting interpretation. I'll have to watch that story again with that in mind. It's been years since I last saw it.
Cool idea but in this day and age, there's no way they would be able to keep the Hollywood level actor a secret long enough to produce the episode and then air it.
Peter Cushing played a character who is explicitly a human, and he invented his TARDIS. He also has a granddaughter name Barbara who has a boyfriend named Ian, and they all go on adventures that are very similar to two Doctor Who serials, but not as good. You would have to ignore very big parts of the story to fit it with tV. I can understand ignoring/rewriting in you head small details of stories, but the Dalek movies just don't fit at all with the show, at least in my opinion.
My headcanon is the Cushing movies were set in a parallel univese to the TV series and the Doctor was a Tielord, he just didn't let on about it. Anyway, I'd like a film serving as a sort of sequel to The Pyramids of Mars.
Or a big screen version of Spare Parts would be cool.
Or a big screen version of Spare Parts would be cool.
How about the "half human" Doctor in the TVM?
That is definitely not canon. Its one of those things that is easily explained away. In real life, it was a stupid line that definitely doesn't count (We've seen enough to know The Doctor is just a galifrean, especially because of all the hybrid talk last year). In universe, The Doctor had just regenerated. He was not quite right mentally, so he said something that wasn't actually true.
An early draft of the script for The End of Time actually addressed that in a conversation between the Doctor and Cactus Lady that went something like this:
Cactus Lady: Okay, let's review. Mr. Saxon isn't human?
Doctor: No.
Cactus Lady: Right. You're not human either?
Doctor: No. Well, I was, briefly. New Year's Eve, 1999. But I got over it, like the flu.
Source: The Writer's Tale.
So, anyone can selectively ignore any statement to fit their idea of canon. Now, obviously DW has been sloppy with continuity, but the biggest argument is about canon being what we see on-screen.
If we can explain away #8's statement about being half-human, I'd like to ignore anything about Cushing being human. I like the theory that he's a younger #1.
Hell, even though it's completely unofficial, I'd like for The Stranger to be a self exiled and TARDISless #7. He still acts like the Doctor, even though he abandoned the name...(why does that sound familiar?
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So, anyone can selectively ignore any statement to fit their idea of canon. Now, obviously DW has been sloppy with continuity, but the biggest argument is about canon being what we see on-screen.
If we can explain away #8's statement about being half-human, I'd like to ignore anything about Cushing being human. I like the theory that he's a younger #1.
Hell, even though it's completely unofficial, I'd like for The Stranger to be a self exiled and TARDISless #7. He still acts like the Doctor, even though he abandoned the name...(why does that sound familiar?
Except the Cushing thing was a whole part of the movie. It and him creating the TARDIS are plot points. It would be like saying Time and the Rani is awesome, and you think so because you treat the parts where Rani pretends to be Mel as noncanon. Peter Cushing being human is a whole big thing in the movie. As opposed to The Doctor being half human, which was one little thing that was never followed up on in one story in the 50+ year existence of the character. Its also been basically made impossible by a bunch of stories. They are completely different situations.
Even Russel T. Davies said in an interview that The Doctor isn't half human, but that he never brought it up when he ran the show because he didn't want to mess with the movie. I can't imagine that Moffat had a different opinion, or it certainly would have come up in the show, especially considering how much Moffat has liked to mess with and retcon The Doctor's past in the last few series.
So, yeah. One thing is two entire movies that firmly establish Peter Cushing as a human who invents a time machine. The other is a little thing from one movie that is only a small part of over 50 years of history, and that thing was never hinted at before, never mentioned again, and definitely wasn't the case when the character was brought back after the movie.
