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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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TrekZONE OFFERS a new video interview with Star Trek novelist Dave Galanter, who recounts how Axanar producer Alec Peters tried to convince him to breach his contract and author an Axanar book under a pen name — and Galanter was not the only professional writer Peters went after.
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So Dave says there were others who were also approached.

This clearly shows (yet again) a pattern of intent by Axanar to violate copyright, as noted in the conversation.

And Alec needed advice on how to write an epic battle of 150 starships. Dave says he pointed out to Alec that fans, the only audience for a fan film, would know this was impossible in the era being written for. And Alec disagreed, because he felt the Axanar audience would be a general public audience who would not know the difference.

This shows an intent By Axanar to compete for professional film audiences.

The timber for the CBS attorneys to burn keeps getting piled on the fire. Along with the lives and wealth of the fictional universe. Pew pew!
 
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So Dave says there were others who were also approached.

This clearly shows (yet again) a pattern of intent by Axanar to violate copyright, as noted in the conversation.

And Alec needed advice on how to write an epic battle of 150 starships. Dave says he pointed out to Alec that fans, the only audience for a fan film, would know this was impossible in the era being written for. And Alec disagreed, because he felt the Axanar audience would be a general public audience who would not know the difference.

This shows an intent By Axanar to compete for professional film audiences.

The timber for the CBS attorneys to burn keeps getting piled on the fire. Along with the lives and wealth of the fictional universe. Pew pew!
He really is delusional if he thought the general public was going to give a shit about a Star Trek fan film. Hell, most Star Trek fans don't give a shit about fan films, it's a niche in a niche.
 
He really is delusional if he thought the general public was going to give a shit about a Star Trek fan film. Hell, most Star Trek fans don't give a shit about fan films, it's a niche in a niche.

From what I heard on that mid-August '15 Axanar podcast, they had imaginings of sellling (future, perhaps (?) non-Trek) content back into the studios, and certainly were saying their quality was so high that CBS should distribute it from the get-go, even if for free. So I imagine they thought they had a shot at getting on the national network distribution. I think Alec has actually proposed this idea a number of times, that the network should broadcast fan films alongside the network content. Not absolutely sure, but I think I remember him saying this. Which in a unicorns and lollipops world, would be nice to happen, although professionals would then likely take over all fan films since it would be a rare opportunity to showcase talent.
 
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Extra content for CBS Internet-only content doesn't sound like a bad idea.

If I could speak to the folks at Axanar--I'd say that they need to drop the counter-claim--apologize for the controversy--and shoot film or shut up.

I wonder how enforced it will be. Especially no unliscenced merchandise. Which is like the bread and butter of convention floors.

Guess that goes for resin kits and blueprints. I never wanted to pester the poor actors.

I haven't read anything like a fraction of this thread--but I'd love to see the best posts distilled into a book on fandom.
 
He really is delusional if he thought the general public was going to give a shit about a Star Trek fan film. Hell, most Star Trek fans don't give a shit about fan films, it's a niche in a niche.

And the general public barely cares about official Trek films, no way they ever go near a fan film...
 
Extra content for CBS Internet-only content doesn't sound like a bad idea.

If I could speak to the folks at Axanar--I'd say that they need to drop the counter-claim--apologize for the controversy--and shoot film or shut up.



Guess that goes for resin kits and blueprints. I never wanted to pester the poor actors.

I haven't read anything like a fraction of this thread--but I'd love to see the best posts distilled into a book on fandom.

Your best bet is to go read AxaMonitor.com to catch up. Some of the raw unearthing of the circumstances is in this thread, but the precis is there.

As for your suggested advice, it is probably way way too late for Axanar to get a satisfactory result with this strategy.

Axanar, at least IMHO, didn't just create a simple controversy that can be apologized for. They stand accused in court of widespread copyright violations and, for the sake of how serious the damages should be, a variety of profiteering acts out of those violations.

They have mounted a questioning of the charges that in effect completely dismisses CBS/Paramount's copyright claims on Trek by techniques such as saying Axanar didn't copy Vulcans because you can't copyright each detail of Vulcans (a ludicrous argument, the copyright is on the aggregate, not the details). They say their core defense will be "fair use", and their podcasts posited last year (as I recall) that fair use is valid because the studios "weren't using Trek anymore" (totally irrelevant to copyright law, and not true, either), and because Axanar is the only group making "true" Trek so they should have the right to do what they want [ :guffaw:]. Their attorneys may have a more sophisticated way to make this argument, but things just keep coming up that make the situation more of a mess day by day.

In short, Axanar has poked the bear multiple times while acting to create a situation where Axanar would seem in effect to end up free to use Trek IP in any way it wishes and build a studio and pay professional salaries off it, make more Trek in the future, and sell unlicensed Trek-IP based goods to boot. If you agree with this premise, you can see how the studios cannot allow this precedent to be set.

As for the wider significance of it all, aside from the donors perhaps only seeing a for-profit studio built out of their money, a lot of people are coming to the conclusion that what Axanar has done may result in a crackdown not just on Trek fan films, but on many fan activities of any sort (writing, cosplay, etc.), and not just for Trek but for any property across the studios. The trespass may be so severe that the industry has to draw a new, serious line. This is still up in the air, but *something* (guidelines) is happening, and there is a lot at stake if the studios just let any fan activity invite itself into the tent like Axanar did.

Thus, you will see various degrees of dismay (and humor) here about how Axanar keeps trying to have its way, and by the way, how they abusively throw under the bus any donors, volunteer supporters, and former staff who in any way question what has been going on. And by how they keep phasering themselves in the foot.

Go over to http://www.gandtshow.com/category/blog/ for detailed analyses of the lawsuit filings.
 
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It's a good strategy for CBS/Paramount, but not suing the does, they can be compelled to testify against Alec without a 5th amendment compulsion or needs for deals. This may make a settlement easier, but it sounds to me like they're zeroing in...

I'm pretty sure there's no right against civil self-incrimination. So even in a civil trial you can't be forced to testify to something that would incriminate you in a crime. But you can be forced to testify to to something that would incriminate you in a tort (and you could then be sued for that tort).
 
Not really. Satire comments on society, usually by mocking something 'real' like a person or event. Parody apes a specific work of art for comedy. For eg. A political cartoon you see in the paper is satire, a spoof of a politicians campaign ad is parody.

I think what can be confusing is that parodies often are satirical, leading people to conflate them. However, you can have satire without parodying anything.
 
Wow! That's an impressive list! No doubt LFIM will be ranting about all the "haters" that didn't "acknowledge" his "greatness" with an invitation. :lol:

You ever hear the expression "big fish in a small pond" ? Alec Peters is a giant, angry bug-eyed fish in a tiny, smelly, golden droplet puddle of my cat's pee.

In other words, the only person who uses the word "greatness" toward Peters and actually means it in any other sense than referring to his glaring and egregious ineptitude is he himself.
 
In a completely unrelated subject, Mike Rowe of "Dirty Jobs" has been quoted as saying "Just because you're passionate about something doesn't mean you won't suck at it!" Someone should tell that to a few fan-film actors / producers, no?

All too true. But in my own experience with Excelsior, just because you start out maybe not so great (I don't think we ever sucked, but there was obvious need for improvement in just about every area.) doesn't mean you can't get better. I don't believe the "10,000 hours" theory as described in "Outliers", but I do believe you can get better with practice and I believe that you can get pretty darn good, even if you don't achieve "greatness" by anyone's standards. I really admire what Jimm and Josh Johnson accomplished between their first and second episodes and I think that's the real fun of fan productions: seeing people with minimal, or even no experience apply the lessons learned from episode to episode. Of course, AP wanted to sidestep the learning curve by bringing in professionals everywhere. That's not what fan productions are about in my opinion. Yes, Excelsior is bringing in plenty of professional talent for our 50th anniversary episode, but we are using them to enhance our product, not as shortcut to a new level of quality and trying to boost our own collective egos by denigrating the work of other productions.
 
In a completely unrelated subject, Mike Rowe of "Dirty Jobs" has been quoted as saying "Just because you're passionate about something doesn't mean you won't suck at it!" Someone should tell that to a few fan-film actors / producers, no?

Gee Sgt G, I'm not sure how defensive I need to be, Sure we are self funded, low budget, 100% volunteer and cut parts out that we can't afford but if we were not having fun, we're done.
 
Gee Sgt G, I'm not sure how defensive I need to be, Sure we are self funded, low budget, 100% volunteer and cut parts out that we can't afford but if we were not having fun, we're done.

I'm also including Potemkin when it comes to respecting production teams that have applied hard-earned lessons, and shown steady improvement despite limited resources, although I guess once I used one name there was always the chance of seeming to slight someone which is certainly not my intention.
 
I had to take a leave from Potemkin due to life events which no longer allow me to keep up with my duties, I have a ton of respect for each and everyone on that project an still contribute when I can.

I'm also including Potemkin when it comes to respecting production teams that have applied hard-earned lessons, and shown steady improvement despite limited resources, although I guess once I used one name there was always the chance of seeming to slight someone which is certainly not my intention.
 
In a completely unrelated subject, Mike Rowe of "Dirty Jobs" has been quoted as saying "Just because you're passionate about something doesn't mean you won't suck at it!" Someone should tell that to a few fan-film actors / producers, no?

True, but he does add, "If we're talking about your hobby, then, by all means, let your passion lead you." It's when you follow your passion (over practical sense) in the jobs market that Mr. Rowe gets really critical.

I like to think that the vast majority of us are pure hobbyists on this, and we do it for passion's sake -- whether we're good at it or not!

(That said, MikeH's show is terrific! :D)
 
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