Condemning the entire project?!? where do you see that?
STC Ep. 6: "Come Not Between The Dragons" grading and discussion....(possible spoilers)
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And the above has been said by someone about EVERY incarnation of officially produced Star Trek since The Animated Series premiered on NBC Saturday morning broadcasts in 1973, then with the TOS era feature films (TMP - STVI:TUC); the TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT series and the TNG era feature films and the JJ Abrams films. With a near 50 year history and a VARIED fanbase all watching and enjoying what they consider 'their (and to them 'the best' version of Star Trek) version of Star Trek' ; you're always going to have some fan looking at something (fan production or official production) and say: "That's NOT Star Trek/Betrays my belief of what Star Trek is/stands for..."
And you know what? That's 100% okay, because everyone is as entitled to their opinion of something as you are to yours. And here's the thing: No honest opinion is right or wrong - it's just an opinion. And when you put something out for a public audience to watch; it's best to have a thick skin; and realize that you're going to get all kinds of responses/opinions - and it's best to know what feedback to accept/what to ignore/ and what 'feedback' is there JUST to get a rise/negative response pout of someone and just ignore it.
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Speaking of the "wave". I have not seen much discussion on that. I thought it was a great effect and if someone has heard of Vic talking about it please point me in the right direction.
As was stated earlier, the phasers seen were an original design created by Scott Nakada back in 2008. Find them here:
http://www.xscapesprops.com/Valkyrie_Props.htm
They were first introduced on STC in their third vignette "Happy Birthday, Scotty" in November of 2012. (Scotty's birthday present is a crateful of new-style phasers--for the man who has everything.)
The phasers were used in all subsequent episodes except "Fairest of Them All,", where props, costumes, and set decorations had to match "Mirror, Mirror."
And exactly who has condemned the entire project for these discrepencies?
No one.
Certainly no one throughout the entire discussion in this thread or other discussions on this board regarding STC.
No one.
Inserting a reference to a production that did not yet exist even as an idea is completely avoidable as it serves zero purpose to further the story. It's done simply to cater to fannish sensibilities where everything has to be tied together.
Inserting contemporary phrases and terms not in common use back in the day is a much harder thing to guard against because you do it without thinking. And given the actors are giving us their interpretations of the characters one can allow a measure of leeway.
There has been blunt criticism in this discussion, but it has been honest, on point and valid. There have also been preferences expressed in this discussion and there is nothing wrong in expressing those either.
This board exist to express and exchange opinions. Not all opinions expressed will be positive and popular. If all one wants to see is glowing praise then it would be best to seek out forums where that is all you will see.
^^ They were blunt, but I don't take what they said as outright condemnation.
You, on the other hand, I've had enough of. You evidently need to have things sugar coated and gentile or else you get upset. You are going to see blunt and to-the-point opinions around here. If that upsets you then it is your issue and not those expressing their view in their own way.
You, on the other hand, I've had enough of. You evidently need to have things sugar coated and gentile or else you get upset. You are going to see blunt and to-the-point opinions around here. If that upsets you then it is your issue and not those expressing their view in their own way.
Awww...am I hurting you, Lambchop?
Like most with obnoxious behavior you have a mighty thin skin. Yup, mighty thin.
As for what goes on around here, heh, I've been here since Christian owned the board. Now while that's worth as much as your post count, it does mean I've seen more then few of your type scuttling across the board looking for threads to bellow your nerd rage into over the past 17-18 years.
I'll be sure to be on the lookout for your next hot pocket fueled burst of outrage, just for the laugh you understand, but I might not reply. Don't take it personally though.
In the interests of remaining civil on this board I'll refrain from expressing the words you richly deserve. Particularly since you enjoy making so many assumptions about someone you know nothing about.Awww...am I hurting you, Lambchop?
Like most with obnoxious behavior you have a mighty thin skin. Yup, mighty thin.
As for what goes on around here, heh, I've been here since Christian owned the board. Now while that's worth as much as your post count, it does mean I've seen more then few of your type scuttling across the board looking for threads to bellow your nerd rage into over the past 17-18 years.
I'll be sure to be on the lookout for your next hot pocket fueled burst of outrage, just for the laugh you understand, but I might not reply. Don't take it personally though.
Yep. What was the other term he used? Cosmotoa or something?
Cosmozoa.
Music. I thought the music was good, and accurately supported the tone of this fanfilm. It hit the beats and tempo, any thoughts?
Yes, I thought it was very nicely done. I liked a lot of the episode, the pacing was good, the principle photography was just beautiful with pop and great saturation. Most of the actors seem to be improving in their characterizations. The alien was a nice little throwback to The Savage Curtain. I felt that the story could have been tighter, and the Gigi Edgely character could have been a bit less emotional though she was good.
All in all I enjoyed it and thought it was a step forward from Divided We Stand which I felt was a bit of a dud.
I just watched this tonight. (I was a backer, so I could have watched it on the 27th, but I'm ill much of the time, so a lot of things take me longer than they take most people.)
On the one hand, I loved many things about the episode. I'm a clinical psychologist in real life, and I've counseled a lot of abuse survivors over the years, so I was thrilled to see a TOS episode with a message telling abusive parents to work on getting better. I thought the guest star playing Ensign Taylor knocked it out of the park; her performance at the end was astounding.
I loved the rock creature with the color changing segments, and I loved watching Smith be a badass; one of the great things about STC is how it undoes the sexism that plagued TOS. I thought most of the regulars did a good job with the descent into irrational anger (reminiscent of "Day of the Dove.")
Although I thought the guest star did a great job, and although I think it's great that STC finally shows female crew members having an actual effect on things, my heart really belongs to Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, since they were the main characters of TOS. This is the second episode in a row where the most important actions were taken not by any of the Big Three but by a brand-new character. In this episode, it was Ensign Taylor who did pretty much everything that was important. In "Divided We Stand," it was some nurse who had the important realization about how to get Kirk and McCoy back. In this episode, it felt as if Kirk, Spock, and McCoy flailed around and did stuff but were ultimately ineffective; the people who did things that actually WORKED were McKenna and Taylor.
I like seeing effective female characters, so I feel bad about saying this, but I want to see Kirk or Spock save the day, not Some New Ensign. When Kirk and McCoy were out of it in "Divided We Stand," I wanted to see SPOCK figure things out, not M'Benga and Some Nurse I Never Heard Of (not even Chapel).
I thought there were a whole lot of wonderful things about this episode, but I found it ultimately unsatisfying, because none of our familiar TOS heroes were allowed to BE heroes; the heroes were McKenna and Taylor.
On the one hand, I loved many things about the episode. I'm a clinical psychologist in real life, and I've counseled a lot of abuse survivors over the years, so I was thrilled to see a TOS episode with a message telling abusive parents to work on getting better. I thought the guest star playing Ensign Taylor knocked it out of the park; her performance at the end was astounding.
I loved the rock creature with the color changing segments, and I loved watching Smith be a badass; one of the great things about STC is how it undoes the sexism that plagued TOS. I thought most of the regulars did a good job with the descent into irrational anger (reminiscent of "Day of the Dove.")
Although I thought the guest star did a great job, and although I think it's great that STC finally shows female crew members having an actual effect on things, my heart really belongs to Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, since they were the main characters of TOS. This is the second episode in a row where the most important actions were taken not by any of the Big Three but by a brand-new character. In this episode, it was Ensign Taylor who did pretty much everything that was important. In "Divided We Stand," it was some nurse who had the important realization about how to get Kirk and McCoy back. In this episode, it felt as if Kirk, Spock, and McCoy flailed around and did stuff but were ultimately ineffective; the people who did things that actually WORKED were McKenna and Taylor.
I like seeing effective female characters, so I feel bad about saying this, but I want to see Kirk or Spock save the day, not Some New Ensign. When Kirk and McCoy were out of it in "Divided We Stand," I wanted to see SPOCK figure things out, not M'Benga and Some Nurse I Never Heard Of (not even Chapel).
I thought there were a whole lot of wonderful things about this episode, but I found it ultimately unsatisfying, because none of our familiar TOS heroes were allowed to BE heroes; the heroes were McKenna and Taylor.
Either could be possible. Once I get the scripts for episodes 4-6 as part of my Indiegogo perks, I'll be able to confirm who the character is supposed to be.
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