Spoilers Arrow - Season 4

[theenglish]

It's got to be more than a little frustrating for the shows to be shortchanged on the concepts they can use, especially considering their popularity. Blue Beetle being dumped for The Atom, was the first that I had really heard about this other than the Arrow being a Batman substitute. This is the first I knew that the Suicide Squad was killed because of the movies. As they had been introduced and were being established the show should have been allowed to run with them.

 

[Mr Light]

I can understand the reasoning behind embargoing movie characters. They don't want brand confusion. Sucks for the show, but the show isn't the cash cow, the movies are. And movies sell toys, not tv shows.

 

[Christopher]

The plus side of the movie embargo is that we finally got rid of Arrow's version of Amanda Waller, who was one-dimensionally evil and not very well-acted. I expect Viola Davis's Waller to be more impressive.

 

[Photoman15]

I can understand the reasoning behind embargoing movie characters. They don't want brand confusion. Sucks for the show, but the show isn't the cash cow, the movies are. And movies sell toys, not tv shows.

I can understand the reasoning behind embargoing movie characters. They don't want brand confusion. Sucks for the show, but the show isn't the cash cow, the movies are. And movies sell toys, not tv shows.

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Really? Ever hear of Dragonball Z? Or Yugioh? Or Pokemon? Those shows sold a lot of toys. Way more than a DC or Marvel movie ever did.

 

[Christopher]

Really? Ever hear of Dragonball Z? Or Yugioh? Or Pokemon? Those shows sold a lot of toys. Way more than a DC or Marvel movie ever did.

But that's because those were TV shows to begin with (or manga to begin with). Not to mention that the latter two were created specifically in order to sell the toys/games they were based on. They were all long-running shows, too, so comparing their cumulative sales success to that of something shorter-lived like a movie or a recent TV show isn't quite fair.

 

[Marc]

I can understand the reasoning behind embargoing movie characters. They don't want brand confusion. Sucks for the show, but the show isn't the cash cow, the movies are. And movies sell toys, not tv shows.

Brand confusion exists only the minds of the tiny dicked studio execs

 

[Guy Gardener]

When was the last time you tried to explain this stuff to a noob?

The only thing they all get wrong is understanding that DC and Marvel are different companies.

"So in which movie is Captain America and Superman going to ####?"

 

[Mr. Adventure]

It's got to be more than a little frustrating for the shows to be shortchanged on the concepts they can use, especially considering their popularity. Blue Beetle being dumped for The Atom, was the first that I had really heard about this other than the Arrow being a Batman substitute. This is the first I knew that the Suicide Squad was killed because of the movies. As they had been introduced and were being established the show should have been allowed to run with them.

I think that's why Deadpool went with Negasonic Teenage Warhead as a bit of a CYA/FU to character embargoes.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

I can understand people being miffed about Arrow losing the Suicide Squad because of the movie. At the same time though, Arrow has been pirating characters from other IPs in the DCU to make stories for their show.

League of Shadows, Nyssa Al Ghul, Ra's Al Ghul, and Lazarus Pits are all from Batman.

HIVE, Damian Darhk, Brother Blood, and Slade Wilson are all from Teen Titans.

Suicide Squad, Deadshot, Amanda Waller, ARGUS etc, never interact with Oliver Queen in the comics.

I'm sure there are more than enough things for Arrow to mine to keep their show afloat. Watch, next season they'll probably introduce some variant of the Crime Syndicate, Checkmate or the Seven Soldiers of Victory.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Season 4 coming to Dvd and blu-Ray Aug, 30 - http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=19144

The crossover episode of The Flash is included in this box set unlike last year. I like when they do this because not everyone will be buying both Arrow and The Flash.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

It's smart. It can spark interest in the other show.
Sampling is good marketing.

 

[Mr Light]

Hell, the reason I like this show so much is because it isn't just a Green Arrow show it's more of a Batman tv show with a name change. Green Arrow's comic book mythos isn't terribly interesting from what I've read.

 

[Morpheus 02]

The plus side of the movie embargo is that we finally got rid of Arrow's version of Amanda Waller, who was one-dimensionally evil and not very well-acted. I expect Viola Davis's Waller to be more impressive.

Though I agree with you about Amanda Waller, doesn't this move go totally against your belief that separate media means you can have the same characters (i.e. one Flash here, one Flash there) going on at the same time?

Isn't this like if you were doing a novel Trilogy, but after the first novel, the company says you can't do it any more, because they're doing an unrelated story with the characters you were using?

Even if makes sense purely from a financial standpoint, is that really the right thing to do?

 

[Christopher]

Though I agree with you about Amanda Waller, doesn't this move go totally against your belief that separate media means you can have the same characters (i.e. one Flash here, one Flash there) going on at the same time?

Huh? "Belief?" This isn't religion, man. And I have no control over the creative or business decisions made by other entities; I'm just an observer. Sometimes there will be more than one version of a character at the same time, sometimes there won't. I'm not intending to issue any blanket judgments; I'm referring specifically to the single case of Amanda Waller.

Isn't this like if you were doing a novel Trilogy, but after the first novel, the company says you can't do it any more, because they're doing an unrelated story with the characters you were using?

Even if makes sense purely from a financial standpoint, is that really the right thing to do?

If I'm under contract to write a tie-in novel using someone else's intellectual property, then my obligation is to follow their instructions. Whatever they decide is the "right" thing to do, because it belongs to them, not to me. In my own original writing, of course, I'm the boss and I can do whatever I want. But as a tie-in writer, I'm working as a hired contractor for someone else. So if my employers make a decision that requires me to change my plans, then I will change my plans, because my job as their employee is to follow their instructions. I'm sure you have to follow instructions in your own job, and I'm sure it sometimes means having to change plans in midstream or having your proposals rejected. It's just part of working for a living. Your employers have the right to ask that of you because you agreed to accept their authority when you went to work for them.

In the decade-plus that I've been writing tie-ins for Pocket, I've had to change or abandon my plans on a number of occasions, because another writer was doing something that conflicted with my plans, or because the editor decided to switch me to another project, or because of larger business issues that led to a book line's cancellation as a side effect. It's just a consequence of belonging to something bigger than yourself -- you have to accept that you're not the only one who gets to make decisions. And generally complaining about it won't accomplish anything; you just accept the change and move on to the next job. And maybe further down the road, you'll find a way to recycle the thing you were going to do into a different form.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

If we could just pay Christopher we could get him to agree with us.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Crowdfund!

 

[CaptainWacky]

Why the fuck hasn't anyone killed Malcolm yet.

 

[Snaploud]

Why the fuck hasn't anyone killed Malcolm yet.

They're still trying to pretend Oliver avoids killing. "It's just a flesh wound" could be the subtitle of this show.

 

[N-121973]

Maybe I've seen Dr. Strangelove too many times but

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Am I the only one who would have found it funny if over in the Flash finale, Zoom had successfully destroyed all those other universes only for Dahrks plan to succeed and those 15,000+ nukes to obliterate Earth 1?

 

[Marc]

Maybe I've seen Dr. Strangelove too many times but

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Am I the only one who would have found it funny if over in the Flash finale, Zoom had successfully destroyed all those other universes only for Dahrks plan to succeed and those 15,000+ nukes to obliterate Earth 1?

you sir are evil, very evil