I'm confused. You are saying its a joke AND a solution?
But again, why would they let him make it, why is it in their interest? Why would they want to spend money to market it? Wouldn't that piss off the donors who were promised a free film?
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I'm confused. You are saying its a joke AND a solution?
But again, why would they let him make it, why is it in their interest? Why would they want to spend money to market it? Wouldn't that piss off the donors who were promised a free film?
Awwww, look how cute they are! They must be so proud!
You mean "locked up", don't you?...
I am happy to Host the 1000, but I need some additional funds...you know, to get a place and tables and some plates and napkins and stuff...
...anybody know how I can raise some dough?
(See how I didn't say a word about needing coffee for after?)
I think a real fan and supporter of fandom would have done whatever it took to prevent the lawsuit from going this far. My guess is that if Peters had offered to stop fundraising, destroy any production materials, and hand over not only the studio and assets but also all remaining funds then the companies would have been satisfied.
That's begging the question. You pulled out the hoary old "us fans know stuff the studios don't..."
which I answered, when I said I did not say that fans know better but markets do not always respond like the models
I was pointing out that audiences do not always follow the marketing models ( studios know better) Iirc STID first run made less then the projections STID made up it's actual short falls mostly overseas, and in dvd/bluray sales, (my cousin bought the blu-ray for me for Christmas, "cause you know you like that stuff and I am sure you could use an extra" that was quote) and to be honest if I had the extra cash at the time I would of gotten the blu-ray phaser set, for the phaser pure and simple.
Also if you loved STID, that is great (absolutely no sarcasm here) good for you, I am glad you liked it. I did not, and I feel that Paramount has a fine line to walk between finding a new audience to keep this franchise going while keeping an existing fan base is driving the revenue.
I think we should have it at Pizza Hut. However, for quality assurance, I'll need to convert an LA warehouse into my own Pizza Hut. This will allow me to host future parties and open a Thin Crust Culinary School, where you'll learn from the chefs who taught me my own craft.
I know you hate Pizza Hut's new stuffed crust. That's why I'll make the thin-crust pizza that REAL Pizza Hut fans want. My salaried staff will handle fulfillment, meaning your pizzas will be delivered by Q3 2017. If you'd like your pizza sooner, you can place an additional order through our VIP Portal.
For anyone who has concerns about my business model, you should know that me and my mom used to eat pizza together and I have hundreds of kitchen-used utensils purchased at auction over the past 30 years.
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He may have said that because he knows all that cash is already spent.
But I like the stuffed crust.
I guess that makes me a hater and not a true Pizza Hut fan (TM).
And let's not even mention calzones.
I will never comment on the authenticity of a person's "fandom" - I think there are far too many litmus tests for "true" fans out there as it is.
I can comment that Alec has not added anything to the fan community with actions and public statements, in fact he has served to divide the community and inflame tensions between different groups.
He may or may not be a Star Trek fan, but he is not a positive influence on the Trek fan community.
Have been out of town this weekend and wasn't really on much.......don't really have a good understanding of what the brouhaha was about RE: that video of LFIM on startrek.com or wherever, but I gather that was the biggest development??
Anyhow, I listened to this latest episode and once again, well done to all. Mike seemed to be quite well adjusted too from what I heard.............
"Alec creating guidelines is like Pablo Escobar creating drug distribution rules........"
"Did she just shush me?!"
Mike's rant at approx. 1:37:00
One question I have though that relates to what Shana(?) was saying about proposed guidelines affecting fan fic authors, artists etc. I can understand the powers that be wanting to possibly rein in fan film producers, but what would be the logic behind reining in artists/bloggers and the like?? If you throw up a website about starships, or create some amazing orthos and put em on DeviantART, what possible reason could there be for C/P to bring the hammer down on you??
Pretty much any fan is going to recognize such work as being unofficial, pretty much every site I've come across has a disclaimer up stating their material is based on content from/property owned by C/P (or something to that effect) and absolutely none (that I've seen) have offered their work up for sale, charged for content or otherwise been monetized in some way.......
Well if one good thing came out of axanar, it's that it's tell peaked my interest in finding more material and info, books etc about the time inbetween enterprise and TOS.
Movie studios and networks aren't always logical, and being burned as badly as they have been by "Superfan" Peters, I can understand CBS applying the "Fool me once..." principle to all fan creations.
I was among those who sent an email to L&L. As well as sending out tweets to CBS, Paramount, L&L and copying CBS's head of licensing.
Let's just say this much. I recently watched Nick Meyer's speech he recently gave at his alma-mater. One of the anecdotes he offered about fandom was that when rumors started to spread that Spock was going to get killed off, someone wrote him a letter that went something along the lines of "If you kill of Spock, I'll kill YOU!"
Some of the angry rhetoric in this thread teeters over the line into restraining-order territory.
Some people need to step away from the keyboard and realize that, at the end of the day, the stakes here are just fan-films and maybe some people's crowdfunding money down the drain. Alec is not clubbing harp-seals here.
Fair enough. You've obviously had more dealings with folk like that than I have so I bow to your experience, even if eternal damnation at the mercy of Satan and all his minions of evil seems a little out of proportion for simply taking advantage of some good natured and well intentioned Star Trek fans to line his own pocket.
But as I mentioned in a previous post the longer this goes on, the more absurd the spinning and the more deliberate the rabble-rousing the less I think of those donors remaining loyal as "good natured" or "well intentioned" and more like "gullible fools" who maybe deserve a harsh lesson with regards to who they entrust their money to.
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If (and it's a big 'If'), the proposed guidelines are as draconian as everyone's implying and they hit other big avenues of fan creativity, I think you'll find yourself sorely mistaken.
As for the rhetoric, I think unless it becomes a lot more persistent and/or over the top, Lord Alec's tunnel vision will block it all out. Besides, there have been multiple instances here where the discussion has either wandered off course (i.e. into personal territory) or gotten overly vitrolic and other posters have condemned/quashed things rather quickly.
I can thank Axanar and Alec Peters for making me much more aware of the scope and range within the fanfilm portfolio.
Personally, Continues and New Voyages I find wonderfully on point, they deliver exactly what they set out to achieve on nearly every aesthetic, in my opinion, and should be applauded. If anybody wants to sit and collate a list of what they perceive to be the flaws for those two shows then go right ahead but understand I won't be reading said list nor caring about it's content.
So thanks Alec for contributing towards my education regarding fanfilms. It's just a pity it looks like you've sunk them all now.
First off, thank you for listening.Have been out of town this weekend and wasn't really on much.......don't really have a good understanding of what the brouhaha was about RE: that video of LFIM on startrek.com or wherever, but I gather that was the biggest development??
Anyhow, I listened to this latest episode and once again, well done to all. Mike seemed to be quite well adjusted too from what I heard.............
"Alec creating guidelines is like Pablo Escobar creating drug distribution rules........"
"Did she just shush me?!"
Mike's rant at approx. 1:37:00
One question I have though that relates to what Shana(?) was saying about proposed guidelines affecting fan fic authors, artists etc. I can understand the powers that be wanting to possibly rein in fan film producers, but what would be the logic behind reining in artists/bloggers and the like?? If you throw up a website about starships, or create some amazing orthos and put em on DeviantART, what possible reason could there be for C/P to bring the hammer down on you??
Pretty much any fan is going to recognize such work as being unofficial, pretty much every site I've come across has a disclaimer up stating their material is based on content from/property owned by C/P (or something to that effect) and absolutely none (that I've seen) have offered their work up for sale, charged for content or otherwise been monetized in some way.......
For Shanna and me, we agree that those are common sense requirements and behaviors, but we have already seen someone stomping on what felt like common sense, easy to follow guides when it comes to films. But there really can be confusion - we had posted a link to where art could be purchased and then ended up issuing a retraction as soon as we learned it was a pirating site. Those lines are already being crossed. Plus, to have filmmakers even attempt to write the rules without the artists' and writers' input is kind of distasteful.
I also want to throw out here (and this is just me talking), but the film big cheeses are all male. Fan fiction writers are rather overwhelming female. There is also a pretty large LGBT segment within the fanfiction writing community. I don't want to go down the PC or bust road, but the filmmakers truly are not that diverse a crowd. This is not a suggestion to go with tokenism or making one means of expression or existence better or more authentic than another. But it does present a monolith of individuals who do not well represent other creative types - who also, probably, outnumber the number of fan filmmakers.
its not a Pizza Hut, its a Pizza HutHouse (TM (Transformative Mugging))
There have been a few cases, but it has been isolated to just a few individuals who didn't seem to be willing to abide by boundaries on these things, and thread members/administrators have dealt with it.
The VAST majority of content in this thread has not gone into the territory you describe, and the Axanar desire to tweeze out such bits and hold it up as proof that no content here is valid (not referrencing your comment, but their general condemnation of "haters") is quite a manipulation to hide scam-smashing insights from the donors.
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