How do we know Jay was publicly known as the Flash yet? Just because he is much older than Barry doesnt mean he has had powers for decades.
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Where does he mention his e3 exploits?
Right. Or Barry could find a way to repeat what he did to get to Supergirl's world. Or Supergirl could find a way to do it with her own superspeed. Or STAR Labs could invent a device, or the DEO could find alien tech that would do it, or the breach Barry opened could turn out to be permanent, or the Waverider could turn out to have a multidimensional drive, or the Phantom Stranger could show up and give people a lift between realities. There are countless ways to let the characters cross universes.
Yup. I don't get this desire to reduce the number of Earths. We now have four distinct Earths that we know of, and we know there are infinitely more out there, so why not embrace that? Remember: Destroying all the alternate Earths but one was what the villain wanted to do. So is it really a cause we want to get behind?
I'm wondering if maybe part of the reason they sent Jay to Earth-2 is because perhaps whatever changes Barry makes to Earth-1's timeline won't affect him and the Wellses while they're in a different universe?
You touch upon something of interest...in Season 1, Thawne told us that before he altered the timeline, the real Wells was still responsible for a particle accelerator incident that created the Flash, but 5 years later. If the writers are paying attention to what they've already established, Barry should find himself in that timeline.
You touch upon something of interest...in Season 1, Thawne told us that before he altered the timeline, the real Wells was still responsible for a particle accelerator incident that created the Flash, but 5 years later. If the writers are paying attention to what they've already established, Barry should find himself in that timeline.
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Did Jay go to Earth-2, or did he go back to his home, Earth-3?
I thought he went home to E3.
I thought he went home to E3.
Cisco said he could send him to Earth-2. Wells said he could take it from there.
He went the E2 and the Wellses were supposed to help him find a way to E3 from there.
(I suspect those Earths are gonna get renumbered somewhere down the road.)
(I suspect those Earths are gonna get renumbered somewhere down the road.)
Why? Because Supergirl's Earth is likely to become more prominent than Real Jay's Earth? Or because Earth-3 is traditionally the evil-twin dimension in the comics?
The latter, and E2 is traditionally where Jay Garrick and the Justice Society come from. Giving us what effectively amounted to an adaptation of the traditional Earth-3 and calling it Earth-2 was a feint to make us think that Zoom's Jay was the real deal.
There's no reason for them to rename/renumber the Earths they've introduced other than "because fans think they should".
Or "nod to the comics"/"tradition".
If the Earth we've been watching is the hub of the multi verse, then Earth 1 is a piss poor definition of the place.
There must (still) be a legal process for naming/discovering/claiming new virgin locations more articulate than planting a flag?
Seriously, how long was Luthor going to keep that Kryptonite Island in Superman Returns before the surviving countries, claiming it, and the shattered remnants of America?
There must (still) be a legal process for naming/discovering/claiming new virgin locations more articulate than planting a flag?
Seriously, how long was Luthor going to keep that Kryptonite Island in Superman Returns before the surviving countries, claiming it, and the shattered remnants of America?
I don't know if all the hero doppelgangers on Earth-2 were villains... were they?
Right, which is why they renamed Laurel Lance "Dinah" and Curtis Holt "Michael." Oh, wait...
True, they also changed Arrow to Green Arrow and Starling City to Star City. But it's not mandatory.
By the way, speaking of acknowledging the past, get this:
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I hadn't noticed before, but the lightning bolt and belt on Shipp's Jay-Flash costume are similar in shape to those on his 1990 Barry-Flash costume.
I'm not saying it's mandatory or a deal-breaker, but I wouldn't be surprised if they found a reason to do it.
As for Earth-2 being like Earth-3...not only did it have a lot of evil dopplegangers of people who are good guys and ordinary citizens on Earth-1, such that Barry commented on it to Team Supergirl...but the main hero to emerge from that Earth is a scientist whose (indirect) counterpart on Earth-1 was a super-villain. (In the comics, it was Earth-3's Luthor who emerged as that world's first super-hero.)
As for Earth-2 being like Earth-3...not only did it have a lot of evil dopplegangers of people who are good guys and ordinary citizens on Earth-1, such that Barry commented on it to Team Supergirl...but the main hero to emerge from that Earth is a scientist whose (indirect) counterpart on Earth-1 was a super-villain. (In the comics, it was Earth-3's Luthor who emerged as that world's first super-hero.)
But one thing comics fans keep forgetting is that they are not the majority of the audience watching these TV shows. Comics typically sell in the thousands, at best tens of thousands, while TV viewership is in the millions. An homage to the comics can be fine if it serves the needs of the TV stories and doesn't confuse the non-comics-savvy majority of the audience. Renumbering the Earths just to conform to some bit of comics precedent would just confuse viewers for no reason.
But we also had Robert Queen as the Green Arrow, which drew from Flashpoint's Batman rather than Earth-3.
And there were people who were different but not directly opposite -- Barry was a timid CSI, Iris was a cop, Joe was a singer. Patty Spivot was hardly changed at all -- a detective who'd already become a CSI rather than a detective who was studying to become one. (And Beyonce Knowles was a senator.)
Plus there were the good or harmless counterparts of Earth-1 villains -- Henry Hewitt was a friendly STAR Labs tech, Floyd "Deadshot" Lawton was a detective who couldn't shoot straight, Leonard Snart was apparently the mayor of Central City.
And overall, Earth-2 seemed like a pretty great place to live, an Art Deco techno-paradise where the educational system is fantastic, serial killers are extremely rare, and Atlantis is a popular tourist destination. So, yeah, it drew on elements from Earth-3, among others, but it's not Earth-3.
Looking at that image reminds me of the only thing I never liked about the 90's series costume. The eyeholes on the mask just look very cheaply done, like, 1940's Batman movie serial bad.
You could say the same thing about switching Jay Garricks.
But it's turned out to have more in common with comics Earth-3 than with comics Earth-2.
"Good/harmless counterparts of Earth-1 villains" fits right in with the traditional Earth-3 as well, you know.
Earth-2 seemed pretty great... except for the serial killing speedster dictator and his band of thugs doing as they wished, when they wished, to whoever they wished.
But now with a real Flash, Dr. Wells, and hopefully soon a speedster protege in Jessie, they can clean it up to be back to what it seemed like at first.
Earth-2 seemed pretty great... except for the serial killing speedster dictator and his band of thugs doing as they wished, when they wished, to whoever they wished.
But now with a real Flash, Dr. Wells, and hopefully soon a speedster protege in Jessie, they can clean it up to be back to what it seemed like at first.