CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[Warped9]

JJ's announcement didn't do a damned thing to make me feel better about him or JJtrek in general. I still detest his take on Trek and I still won't be bothering to see the next film.

I, for one, didn't see CBS's suit against AP and Axanar as an attack or bullying fans because there was plenty of sufficient evidence to show AP had crossed way over the line. Additionally CBS's actions were against one specific individual rather than against all fan productions in general. If they wanted to go after everyone then phone calls and letters of C&D could have been issued simultaneously to put the fear of God into everyone. That didn't happen and at no time did CBS express any sentiments of wanting to stop "all this fan film nonsense."

It isn't hard to accept the idea of a corporation throwing its weight around to intimidate or exploit "the little guy." We've seen it before. But that isn't what was happening here. Indeed CBS has been rather easygoing and gracious in allowing fanfilms to proceed as they have when CBS has every right to put a complete stop to it.

The real villain here is a putz who thought he could make a buck piggybacking on someone else's IP and exploiting fan interest. And he was a truly stupid putz because he didn't know enough to not make noise about it. If you're going to rip someone off it's not smart to publicly taunt and disparage them.

Fans were already winning because TPTB live-and-let-live. Now thanks to AP we might not like what we might lose.

 

[OtherGene]

JJ's announcement didn't do a damned thing to make me feel better about him or JJtrek in general. I still detest his take on Trek and I still won't be bothering to see the next film.

No I don't think everyone is now a JJ Abrams fan but I think the stunt, because I think it was a stunt, was intended to be a crowd-pleaser and a cursory glance through social media, particulary the Axanar pages, seem to have seen a shift in JJ being the devil to JJ maybe being the saviour. Strange, but there you go.

 

[KennyB]

No I don't think everyone is now a JJ Abrams fan but I think the stunt, because I think it was a stunt, was intended to be a crowd-pleaser and a cursory glance through social media, particulary the Axanar pages, seem to have seen a shift in JJ being the devil to JJ maybe being the saviour. Strange, but there you go.

Just wait until it's not "dropped" like they assume and they'll REALLY hate him then.

 

[ThankYouGeneR]

The more I think about The Announcement the more I think JJ was just engaging in some positive PR to shore up any negativity around the movie that he and his company are producing

If only a PR move (either by him or the whole kit & kaboodle of them) I think it is a totally brilliant one!

he was a truly stupid putz because he didn't know enough to not make noise about it. If you're going to rip someone off it's not smart to publicly taunt and disparage them.

No kidding! In the way back when this first came out I was still in my 'What are the studios DOING to Axanar?' phase I was already posting I wish the production wasn't being so vocally clear about their hope to be part of putting Star Trek... into the hands of fans, I wish they would recognized their possibility of alarming the legal owners in order to instead quietly work around triggering such alarms, I wish this production company would self monitor statements that overtly challenge this big sleeping bear.

In the way back of the time before my coming to entirely different conclusions concerning what is really going on here.

a cursory glance through social media, particulary the Axanar pages, seem to have seen a shift in JJ being the devil to JJ maybe being the saviour.

I know! An excellent piece of PR by Mr. Abrams.

Yup.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

The more I think about The Announcement the more I think JJ was just engaging in some positive PR to shore up any negativity around the movie that he and his company are producing, based on him probably being aware that an attempt at settlement was coming soon regardless. I've only watched the clip once but to me it appeared that he barely remembered the name 'Axanar' anyway but I accept that could just be my recollection.

And look at how many people now love JJ. And Justin Lin. And CBS. And Paramount..

Isn't the accepted narrative here that Axanar folks are ultimately inconsequential so there's no need to try to appease them because they're anti-JJverse and only a very small group that will have little to no effect on the box office of BEYOND? That's the sense I keep getting from folks here, that Abrams shouldn't worry himself over this and that it's a shame he's trying to reach out to these Axanar folks after they had the gall to criticize his Trek.

This is all pretty amusing though.

 

[Tom]

@Dennis I don't have details but I remember they would go MONTHS without any posts or updates leading up to STiD. Even when the movie came out I think it was a week or two before they posted anything. Since then I rarely go there. I hear Anthony still contributes on occasion. It WAS the go to site for ST09..........maybe he sold it off. Anyone know more?

Anthony was getting tired of it and delegated to other people, He was driving it pretty hard almost single handedly 2008 through 2010. I don't blame him, it takes a lot out of you to drive a site like that. Does anyone remember when he used to post here as 'PowderedToastMan" ?

Some trivia about Trekcore. Originally, there was a site called Trekpulse.com. Mike and Adam were admins there. The owner of Trekpulse wanted to shut it down and would not give the domain name to Mike and Adam to continue the site. So, in 2005 they wanted to create a new site to house Star Trek media (screen caps etc..) . Originally they wanted to call it Trekhorizons.com. I told them that was a terrible name for that type of site (LOL) and gave the a list of names (with untaken .com domain names). On that list, was trekcore.com, they liked that name and went with it. My only other involvement was installing and helping to maintain their forum. Since that time, they have done a spectacular job of building that website into one of the most valuable Star Trek resources on the web.

 

[Campe]

Isn't the accepted narrative here that Axanar folks are ultimately inconsequential so there's no need to try to appease them because they're anti-JJverse and only a very small group that will have little to no effect on the box office of BEYOND? That's the sense I keep getting from folks here, that Abrams shouldn't worry himself over this and that it's a shame he's trying to reach out to these Axanar folks after they had the gall to criticize his Trek.

This is all pretty amusing though.

Sigh.

People are entitled to their opinions. You want to hate the JJ movies? Fine. Whatever. I don't care. But when many of these people claim their boycott of Beyond and its going to be the downfall of JJ, well, they're thinking their group has more power than they actually do. Its called putting things into perspective.

 

[Warped9]

I have no delusions my boycott of JJtrek will have any effect on Paramount's bottom line. I do know it will leave more money in my pocket to put toward something more worthy.

 

[Campe]

I have no delusions my boycott of JJtrek will have any effect on Paramount's bottom line. I do know it will leave more money in my pocket to put toward something more worthy.

And in all fairness, Warped, I'm not speaking of you. I'm speaking of the Axalites. We are all very well aware of your opinion of the JJ movies.

 

[Warped9]

No matter how vocal the anti-JJ folks are I know it won't mean squat to Paramount's bottom line.


Funny, though. I have no qualms of contributing $100 to STC, but no way I'll hand over $10 for a ticket to see a JJtrek film.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

It's just amusing that after all the stuff about how Abrams doesn't need to try to reach out to Axanar folks, he does it anyway. I do agree though he's obviously doing it to hype things up. May not have an effect on the financial side of things, but I respect the guy for even trying to reach out, however futile.

I think Lin is more genuinely on that wavelength too. Every interview he's in really gives me the sense he truly is an inclusive spirit that isn't taken in by a jaded outlook.

 

[Campe]

@Warped9 - And that's the difference between you and the Axalites. You're smart enough to understand that. They think because they're the True Trek fans™ , they hold all the cards. They don't.

People can love Axanar and hate nuTrek as much as they want. That's the joy of having an opinion. But they need to realize what you have -- a few thousand Star Trek fans boycotting this isn't going to cause them to stop making this stuff.

(Plus, let's be honest -- about half of them will see it anyway.)

 

[Karzak]

No matter how vocal the anti-JJ folks are I know it won't mean squat to Paramount's bottom line.


Funny, though. I have no qualms of contributing $100 to STC, but no way I'll hand over $10 for a ticket to see a JJtrek film.

You do realize though that this attitude is precisely the crux of what allowed Peters and Axanar to spiral into what it's become, right? I mean, I'm not saying you caused it, obviously, but this idea that you'd rather give money to fan amateurs for Star Trek vs. the actual people who own it.

You are of course free to spend your money as you choose, but speaking strictly from the perspective of IP and content creation, were I CBS, I'd think that'd be a big fucking problem.

 

[Squiggy]

You just got a very public endorsement by JJ Abrams and Justin Lin - why the fuck are you pissing on people on Facebook?

 

[Warped9]

You do realize though that this attitude is precisely the crux of what allowed Peters and Axanar to spiral into what it's become, right? I mean, I'm not saying you caused it, obviously, but this idea that you'd rather give money to fan amateurs for Star Trek vs. the actual people who own it.

You are of course free to spend your money as you choose, but speaking strictly from the perspective of IP and content creation, were I CBS, I'd think that'd be a big fucking problem.

Considering what has already been said then it isn't a problem for TPTB because they still will make plenty.

 

[Jedi_Master]

You just got a very public endorsement by JJ Abrams and Justin Lin - why the fuck are you pissing on people on Facebook?

They don't care about JJ Abrams and Justin Lin. They only care about people who are in opposition to their shenanigans.

 

[RedForman]

They don't care about JJ Abrams and Justin Lin. They only care about people who are in opposition to their shenanigans.

"You're either with us or against us!"

 

[Jedi_Master]

"You're either with us or against us!"

Exactly. "Detractors" must be ran into the ground, they cannot be allowed to exist. Yet another reason RMB and Alec are small time operators. They can't handle negative feedback. Ever.

 

[SeerSGB]

"You're either with us or against us!"

That's why I try not to read to many interviews given by Abrams. Not saying he's a bad person, but between he's directing style (Sorry, Episode VII just doesn't hold up well on rewatch) and just something in his interview style, I...don't know how to explain it. It's like that braggart at work that you just smile and nod at and wait for them to run out of breath so you can escape.

 

[HIjol]

Page 920 and The Hits Just Keep On Coming! Just when you think it cannot get any worse, The Axa- falls again, and splits more (Captain's) logs. Thing about splitting logs, though...lots of tinder and kindling...like to start a Conflagration...

...or maybe it has been burning a while...