Here comes The Punisher!
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Marvel/Netflix Daredevil season 2.
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Ugh. I really dislike the idea of the Punisher as a protagonist. Although I guess I can't blame them after Bernthal's powerful performance. But I'm conflicted about whether I'll want to watch this.
Great news!
I wish their press release gave us a timetable.
Iron Fist is shooting now
Defenders is to shoot end of this year into first of '17
Netflix, has till this point, only shot one Marvel series at a time. I hope they double up or at the least overlap the start of Punisher filming with Defenders S1.
Then for '17 we could have our first 3 show debut on Netflix. Perhaps one for each quarter.
Iron Fist - Spring(March)
Defenders - Summer(September)
Punisher - Fall(November)
Netflix has launched DD in this March slot and Sept for Luke Cage while Jessica Jones had a Nov debut. These are calendar slots we know they like at present.
Iron Fist is shooting now
Defenders is to shoot end of this year into first of '17
Netflix, has till this point, only shot one Marvel series at a time. I hope they double up or at the least overlap the start of Punisher filming with Defenders S1.
Then for '17 we could have our first 3 show debut on Netflix. Perhaps one for each quarter.
Iron Fist - Spring(March)
Defenders - Summer(September)
Punisher - Fall(November)
Netflix has launched DD in this March slot and Sept for Luke Cage while Jessica Jones had a Nov debut. These are calendar slots we know they like at present.
That's how I felt about the character as a protagonist, too, until I saw DD S2...now I'd pretty much have to watch this.
I don't like him as a protagonist either but these Netflix shows are good so I'm definitely in and I expect that he'll be written in such a way that his methods aren't glorified too much if at all. So far, Jessica Jones and Daredevil have either given both sides of a situation or remained neutral enough for the viewer to take away what they want.
It will be interesting to see exactly what attitiude they take towards the way Punisher operates. So far I think DD S2 has done a really good job of approaching it in realistic manner, but I don't know how well it would work in a series where he is the primary protagonist.
The Punisher series needs to establish a few support characters and I think it'll work just fine. There are a number of possible candidates.
Micro - cyber tech partner
Lynn Michaels and/or Martin Soap - police connection
Rachel Cole-Alves - military connection
Mickey Fondozzi - street connection
Micro - cyber tech partner
Lynn Michaels and/or Martin Soap - police connection
Rachel Cole-Alves - military connection
Mickey Fondozzi - street connection
Like reasons why it took Daredevil till the season finale to take down Kingpin.
Like reasons why it took all season for Flash to take down Wells/Reverse Flash
etc, etc, etc
That concept extends to many shows, from Quantico to How to Get Away With Murder and right down the line.
Like reasons why it took all season for Flash to take down Wells/Reverse Flash
etc, etc, etc
That concept extends to many shows, from Quantico to How to Get Away With Murder and right down the line.
Sure but those characters are held back by moral codes - take kingpin and the punisher - he'd just sniper rifle him as soon as he worked it out - you either have to keep having reasons why he doesn't just blow people's heads off or have him miss.
They worked this out in the comics which is why the most acclaimed version has bad guys who don't last long.
How about giving him a bulletproof, superhuman foe? Maybe the Sony deal would let them use Tombstone? Or they could do something where the real mastermind is hidden and Castle has to spend the season trying to find out who he or she is. Which could be a plus if it means he spares people so they can be interrogated, but a minus if it results in torture-porn "interrogations."
Or maybe the best route is to have Castle's real enemy be himself. Have his quest really damage him, and maybe cause collateral damage, and have other main characters challenge him on his methods. Or maybe have the main conflict be between Castle and the detectives trying to bring him in. Sort of a "no real bad guys" situation, although I personally see the Punisher as a bad guy.
I finished up the season this morning. Overall I was pretty happy with the way the season ended.
I loved Punisher showing up to help out Daredevil and Elektra.
Elektra's new costume is pretty cool.
I was expecting a bit more of resolution with The Hand, but it looks that conflict will continue into either next season or The Defenders.
I got a kick out of Hogarth showing up.
It was a little disappointed we didn't see Matt resolve his issues with Foggy and Karen, although the end might help with Karen. I was glad he finally told her he is Daredevil.
I'm familiar with Elektra's comic book history so I was expecting her death, and possible ressurection. That last shot of her was a great way to end the season.
Did they ever explain exactly what Elektra being The Black Sky meant? I know they said she was supposed to help The Hand accomplish their goals, but did they every say exactly what she was supposed to be, or be able to do?
Elektra's new costume is pretty cool.
I was expecting a bit more of resolution with The Hand, but it looks that conflict will continue into either next season or The Defenders.
I got a kick out of Hogarth showing up.
It was a little disappointed we didn't see Matt resolve his issues with Foggy and Karen, although the end might help with Karen. I was glad he finally told her he is Daredevil.
I'm familiar with Elektra's comic book history so I was expecting her death, and possible ressurection. That last shot of her was a great way to end the season.
Did they ever explain exactly what Elektra being The Black Sky meant? I know they said she was supposed to help The Hand accomplish their goals, but did they every say exactly what she was supposed to be, or be able to do?
Wow, people are being kind to this season. I was meh on the first, but, while I loved the Punisher stuff (until his storyline's pathetic denouement), I agree with The AV Club's reviewer that the last few eps were hot garbage.
The Hand and its ninja have managed, in their two seasons, to be even more generic, boring, and ill-defined than Arrow's League of Assassins. And to tease this "Black Sky" for two seasons, and then declare that Elektra is it somehow, with no explanation whatsoever as to what makes it/her so powerful... that's just shit storytelling. Who was the blood feeding?! And that massive hole in the gound - I don't mind the show teasing future storylines here and there. But to end an episode treating the hole as a massive discovery/cliffhanger and then to completely forget about it for four whole episodes is garbage.
Ben Urich, Detective Clemons, ADA Reyes - three Netflix/Marvel seasons, three prominent characters of color killed off for cheap shock/plot advancement. Lame at best.
I'm assuming Elektra is enhanced, because in no way do I buy that a prepubescent girl can throw grown, muscled men around and kick them hard enough to knock them off their feet. Trained or not, her body weight and muscle mass just isn't there. And Matt, who can hear Foggy through several hospital floors, can't hear the body movements of the ninja, but can hear them exhale? Who got paid to write that crap?! And then there was that shocking scene were the Hand cut the lights to the sewers or whatever, so Matt/Elektra lost them... Matt is blind, for Christ's sake!! (Did I mention the part where a very mild bit of steam lets the ninja, carrying the stumbling blood patients, get away from him? Well, I just did.) And Foggy lugging an unconscious Matt to his apartment in broad daylight with "no one noticing", in Manhattan?! When that shot of his apartment building roof in the finale shows the street outside fairly heavily trafficked at night? What?!
The writing in the last few eps, including much of the dialogue, was terrible. Karen's "New Yorkers are heroes, because we live in Hell's Kitchen" piece was puke-worthy. Hell's Kitchen is a small neighborhood in one borough, lady! Does your paper only target one minor Manhattan neighborhood?! And why does the same one police sergeant turn up at every crime scene, even when (as in the Punisher graveyard scene) Manhattan is in the distance? And isn't sergeant a fairly low police rank, yet here he is, ordering all these other cops around like he runs the show? How stupid do the writers think we are? (Hint: they think we are very stupid. As in, "willing to buy observers carrying large signs being let into a courtroom stupid.") Also, Foggy, a guy in his late 20s/early 30s, gets offered a corner office with an assistant because he gave a strong opening statement?
The season's climax on the roof sucked hard. No police helicopters, no spotlights, no cops despite there being tons of cops on the ground. A few incredibly lame, emotion-free brawls. Punisher set up for mowing down tons of ninja with all that weaponry, and he shoots two or three after getting to the scene late. No emotional weight anywhere, with Elektra's death being yawn-worthy. Arrow's Season 3 finale was far better than that.
Yes, D'Onofrio remains an impressive ham. All the actors are good, though Yung's range seems limited (but she does have the worst dialogue by far). No hint whatsoever as to why The Hand is so fixated on NYC as opposed to any other city in the world. Risible writing, beyond-lazy plotting, and each ninja fight was more tedious than the last, and they weren't much to begin with. (The biker gang fight alone was far better than every Hand appearance from both seasons put together.)
... This is a very mediocre show, inane teenage stuff compared to Jessica Jones. And the fact that S2's showrunners are running The Defenders is a very bad sign. I'm curious to see more of Bernthal's Punisher, but I'd be quite happy not to see any more Daredevil itself. At least Arrow, which I've given up on, knows to have charismatic villains like Barrowman and McDonough around. The big hole in that building has more personality than the entirety of The Hand, plus Madame Gao and her lackeys.
Lame, amigos. Lame.
The Hand and its ninja have managed, in their two seasons, to be even more generic, boring, and ill-defined than Arrow's League of Assassins. And to tease this "Black Sky" for two seasons, and then declare that Elektra is it somehow, with no explanation whatsoever as to what makes it/her so powerful... that's just shit storytelling. Who was the blood feeding?! And that massive hole in the gound - I don't mind the show teasing future storylines here and there. But to end an episode treating the hole as a massive discovery/cliffhanger and then to completely forget about it for four whole episodes is garbage.
Ben Urich, Detective Clemons, ADA Reyes - three Netflix/Marvel seasons, three prominent characters of color killed off for cheap shock/plot advancement. Lame at best.
I'm assuming Elektra is enhanced, because in no way do I buy that a prepubescent girl can throw grown, muscled men around and kick them hard enough to knock them off their feet. Trained or not, her body weight and muscle mass just isn't there. And Matt, who can hear Foggy through several hospital floors, can't hear the body movements of the ninja, but can hear them exhale? Who got paid to write that crap?! And then there was that shocking scene were the Hand cut the lights to the sewers or whatever, so Matt/Elektra lost them... Matt is blind, for Christ's sake!! (Did I mention the part where a very mild bit of steam lets the ninja, carrying the stumbling blood patients, get away from him? Well, I just did.) And Foggy lugging an unconscious Matt to his apartment in broad daylight with "no one noticing", in Manhattan?! When that shot of his apartment building roof in the finale shows the street outside fairly heavily trafficked at night? What?!
The writing in the last few eps, including much of the dialogue, was terrible. Karen's "New Yorkers are heroes, because we live in Hell's Kitchen" piece was puke-worthy. Hell's Kitchen is a small neighborhood in one borough, lady! Does your paper only target one minor Manhattan neighborhood?! And why does the same one police sergeant turn up at every crime scene, even when (as in the Punisher graveyard scene) Manhattan is in the distance? And isn't sergeant a fairly low police rank, yet here he is, ordering all these other cops around like he runs the show? How stupid do the writers think we are? (Hint: they think we are very stupid. As in, "willing to buy observers carrying large signs being let into a courtroom stupid.") Also, Foggy, a guy in his late 20s/early 30s, gets offered a corner office with an assistant because he gave a strong opening statement?
The season's climax on the roof sucked hard. No police helicopters, no spotlights, no cops despite there being tons of cops on the ground. A few incredibly lame, emotion-free brawls. Punisher set up for mowing down tons of ninja with all that weaponry, and he shoots two or three after getting to the scene late. No emotional weight anywhere, with Elektra's death being yawn-worthy. Arrow's Season 3 finale was far better than that.
Yes, D'Onofrio remains an impressive ham. All the actors are good, though Yung's range seems limited (but she does have the worst dialogue by far). No hint whatsoever as to why The Hand is so fixated on NYC as opposed to any other city in the world. Risible writing, beyond-lazy plotting, and each ninja fight was more tedious than the last, and they weren't much to begin with. (The biker gang fight alone was far better than every Hand appearance from both seasons put together.)
... This is a very mediocre show, inane teenage stuff compared to Jessica Jones. And the fact that S2's showrunners are running The Defenders is a very bad sign. I'm curious to see more of Bernthal's Punisher, but I'd be quite happy not to see any more Daredevil itself. At least Arrow, which I've given up on, knows to have charismatic villains like Barrowman and McDonough around. The big hole in that building has more personality than the entirety of The Hand, plus Madame Gao and her lackeys.
Lame, amigos. Lame.
I agree with very little of what Gaith wrote above, but boy does the seemingly-increasing propagation of this expression and the dismissive attitude behind it rub me the wrong way. If you didn't even read what someone wrote, what the hell are you commenting on it for? What would you say if the poster had criticized the show without even having watched it in the first place? What possesses people to think that it reflects well on them to be openly and admittedly unwilling to engage with others' opinions and arguments? It doesn't. If you've considered someone's points and remain unconvinced, and disagree, that's perfectly valid. If you just didn't read them because they were "too long" and you can't be bothered (OMG 5-6 paragraphs, how laborious!
) then the least you could do is keep that to yourself, as you really have nothing to offer to the conversation. People should be encouraged to expound upon their thoughts in depth, not reduce them to a simple "like" or "dislike" and be done with the subject. [/rant]
TLDR.I agree with very little of what Gaith wrote above, but boy does the seemingly-increasing propagation of this expression and the dismissive attitude behind it rub me the wrong way. If you didn't even read what someone wrote, what the hell are you commenting on it for? What would you say if the poster had criticized the show without even having watched it in the first place? What possesses people to think that it reflects well on them to be openly and admittedly unwilling to engage with others' opinions and arguments? It doesn't. If you've considered someone's points and remain unconvinced, and disagree, that's perfectly valid. If you just didn't read them because they were "too long" and you can't be bothered (OMG 5-6 paragraphs, how laborious!
In all seriousness though, I totally agree. Not a fan of "Nope" either.
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