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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Mordock said:
By the same token, though, couldn't Abrams' announcement have been part of a deliberate charm offensive? The stench of Peters' desire to get some of that Great Bird reflected glory is so powerful I can smell it wafting out of my speakers; a surprise public announcement like this, where he's being embraced by TPTB like he's done something special, might have been calculated to soften him up for a settlement that may not be all that favorable to him.
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I could be wrong, but to me it doesn't pass the smell test. Those who follow this news are a minority of the Star Trek fandom. Why would this announcement be made at such a major event. Hell, aparrantly Peters was surprised by the announcement. Don't you think he'd have been read in before the announcement was made? Especially since lawyers are involved.
 
Smoked Salmon said:
You know, as much as I loath Peters and the whole Axanar enterprise (no pun intended), and as much as I personally think settling this case is a mistake on the part of the studio, I find the reaction to this news very sad on the part of a lot of Anti-Axanar folks. I think it betrays their attitudes somewhat.

Let's be honest. Some individuals associated with some of the Anti-Axanar groups have taken this way too seriously. Those individuals, often whose names tends to appear most frequently on any kind of talkback or group associated with Axanar where Axanar criticism is permitted, have been obsessing over every little detail day after day after day. Sometimes this has gotten a little sour. The explanation has always been about protecting IP rights and artist's interests. In some cases journalism and free speech has been used to justify it....and Peters, with his arrogant and dismissive approach and use of immature labels like "haters", has helped to legitimise such claims by quite simply behaving far worse than anyone on the other side. I'm sure those people do care about those elements, but you just don't invest the kind of time and energy in this sort of thing unless you have an axe to grind, either through obsession or grudge. Often these people aren't even Axanar donors. Some of the behaviour has included character assassinations and targeting people they have deemed to be guilty by association with Peters. Sometimes it has been out and out nasty and vitriolic. The nature of it all has been such that from January onward I have felt less and less inclined to participate in Axanar related discussions as some of the anti-Axanar people have felt like pack hounds out for blood. For all their stupidity and delusions, I haven't found the Axanar supporters to quite as obsessive.

Now we have this announcement and some of the behaviour of the anti-Axanar people in the past 24 hours has been very telling, from desperate speculation about just how the settlement might undermine Peters to clearly emotional sore loser blog posts and now I've even seen speculation in certain places that Paramount will bow out of the litigation but CBS will continue. Anti-Axanar people are also not now holding back with throwing any label Peters way, such as shyster and con artist. It all seems to be motivated by a sense of denial and chagrin that Peters may come out of this living to see another day when, let's face it, at least a percentage of the Anti-Axanar folks wanted to see the man ruined, whether they want to admit it publicly or not. Even if Axanar still doesn't get made and Peters has to repay the donors, the reality is that a settlement that also sees guidelines set for fan film use, that has arisen out of pressure from Lin and Bad Robot, is unlikely to be of the kind that significantly penalises Peters. If it is an out of court settlement then we won't know the full details. Even if it is settlement by way of a consensual court order, it may not be in the form that will satisfy those who want to see the comeuppance of Peters. I think if some where honest with themselves they know this to be true, and they know that no matter what they say the inevitable gloating of Lord Peters and his cult members is going to happen come what may.

All I'm saying is that for their own sanity I think it is time for some on the anti-Axanar side to bow out and devote their energies to better pursuits. For others maybe it's time to take a break, at least until more details or settlement and/or guidelines come through. Quite simply the influence of Abrams & Lin and the decision not to pursue the litigation outstrips anything anyone on the anti-Axanar folks can do, whether Peters seemingly getting away with his behaviour is justified or not. I think maybe it's time to be graceful in what in all likelihood is defeat. Only time will tell now whether or not Axanar gets made and Peters can fulfill his obligation to the donors. Let Peters be the author of his own downfall, which he likely will be one day, if not any time soon. With that in mind I don't see any benefit to continuing to push for division among fans if the studio themselves no longer feel it's in their interests to go after Peters.

Just my two cents. .
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That was more like $3 and 2 cents.
 
so for all of us out of the loop for weeks on this whole saga,
is the lawsuit being dropped a certainty or just a rumor ?


If it is going to be dropped I suspect there will be some provisions for Axanar to abide by surely and any intended release dates and plans are all well and truly scuppered
 
Mordock said:
By the same token, though, couldn't Abrams' announcement have been part of a deliberate charm offensive? The stench of Peters' desire to get some of that Great Bird reflected glory is so powerful I can smell it wafting out of my speakers; a surprise public announcement like this, where he's being embraced by TPTB like he's done something special, might have been calculated to soften him up for a settlement that may not be all that favorable to him.
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Nooooo kidding :techman::techman::techman::techman::techman:

Having won the denial of the MTD, the studios are in a position to do something which could not have gone over well before -- put a real long lasting throttle/cap on non-studio productions, ALL of them, by precedent with Trek.

Imagine if they'd tried to do something like the Star Wars stuff out of the blue. Riots in the streets. But at this moment, they have a very ego-driven vocal subset of fans grasping for something that will "vindicate" them, and the cap can be cast as "a win achieved by Axanar - getting clear guidelines".

All ya gotta do is get them to fully set the hook, and who better to corner than their fearless leader currently looking for a way out of a disastrous lawsuit?

I have said all along that there is NO WAY that the studios can let ever improving CGI, distribution networks, etc. have an "independent" place in the tent for the specific IPs owned by the studios.

Now they have a chance to dictate terms. Even if its not quite as bad a Star Wars, you can bet corporate is going to close all potential loopholes and all competitiveness opportunities.

*Of course* they will make like T'Pol and live with it for a while.
 
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CaptGrumpy said:
I could be wrong, but to me it doesn't pass the smell test. Those who follow this news are a minority of the Star Trek fandom. Why would this announcement be made at such a major event. Hell, aparrantly Peters was surprised by the announcement. Don't you think he'd have been read in before the announcement was made? Especially since lawyers are involved.
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Yes, that's much likelier, but if so, it still makes me wonder why Abrams would have gone off the reservation like that.
 
gazomg said:
so for all of us out of the loop for weeks on this whole saga,
is the lawsuit being dropped a certainty or just a rumor ?


If it is going to be dropped I suspect there will be some provisions for Axanar to abide by surely and any intended release dates and plans are all well and truly scuppered
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Hi, indications are that it is in settlement discussions, which is quite different from being dropped.

If it is dropped the rumored 'guidelines' could still appear, they wouldn't be tied to the lawsuit. But there could be private conditions in a settlement putting further restrictions on the defendants as well.
 
gazomg said:
so for all of us out of the loop for weeks on this whole saga,
is the lawsuit being dropped a certainty or just a rumor ?


If it is going to be dropped I suspect there will be some provisions for Axanar to abide by surely and any intended release dates and plans are all well and truly scuppered
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Official word is that CBS has started settlement talks.

The Court had ordered them to try that anyway (ADR is strictly for the purpose of ending a suit before it gets to court), but Abrams announcement is notable because it indicates CBS is willing to end this thing without taking Alec for everything he has. We don't know what terms CBS is bringing to the table, or if Alec will accept them.

Oh, and we're getting fanfilm guidelines. They could be a good thing, or they could be restrictive enough that they end fanfilms as we currently know them.
 
gazomg said:
so for all of us out of the loop for weeks on this whole saga,
is the lawsuit being dropped a certainty or just a rumor ?


If it is going to be dropped I suspect there will be some provisions for Axanar to abide by surely and any intended release dates and plans are all well and truly scuppered
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If it's "dropped", it's dropped, as in "Never mind, carry on with whatever you were doing. They are in settlement talks. TALKS. As of right now, it appears nothing has been agreed upon.
 
muCephi said:
Hi, indications are that it is in settlement discussions, which is quite different from being dropped.

If it is dropped the rumored 'guidelines' could still appear, they wouldn't be tied to the lawsuit. But there could be private conditions in a settlement putting further restrictions on the defendants as well.
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thanks muCephi
 
dmac said:
Are we talking a Star Trek themed pub?
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Yes, and everyone should drink this so that the whole mess of Axanar finally passes through our systems.

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Hela said:
Official word is that CBS has started settlement talks.

The Court had ordered them to try that anyway (ADR is strictly for the purpose of ending a suit before it gets to court), but Abrams announcement is notable because it indicates CBS is willing to end this thing without taking Alec for everything he has. We don't know what terms CBS is bringing to the table, or if Alec will accept them.

Oh, and we're getting fanfilm guidelines. They could be a good thing, or they could be restrictive enough that they end fanfilms as we currently know them.
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I obviously want axanar to succeed, the 20 minute prelude was awesome stuff and the movie would be brilliant.
Now whether Peters or whoever is in charge is the kind of guy to realize they are lucky ...or stubborn enough to possibly refuse any olive branch by cbs is another thing.
My hope is they accept these possible guidelines that I believe will be part of any deal if said case is to finish.
Peters and co have to remember id they are making a "fan film" its important to listen to the fans, regardless if they are fans also.
 
I just opened a new poll-topic: http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/would-you-sign-a-petition-to-cbs-re-axanar.280872/

How strongly do you feel about the whole Axanar copyright lawsuit mess?

Would you sign a petition to CBS / Paramount regarding their lawsuit against Axanar??

Your options are:

1) No, I don't care about Axanar.
2) Yes, I'd asked them to drop it. It was stupid to do in the first place.
3) Yes, I'd ask them to settle out of court. Take an easy win and make it go away.
4) Yes, I'd ask them to NOT settle and take it to trial. This is too important to let go.​
 
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gazomg said:
I obviously want axanar to succeed, the 20 minute prelude was awesome stuff and the movie would be brilliant.
Now whether Peters or whoever is in charge is the kind of guy to realize they are lucky ...or stubborn enough to possibly refuse any olive branch by cbs is another thing.
My hope is they accept these possible guidelines that I believe will be part of any deal if said case is to finish.
Peters and co have to remember id they are making a "fan film" its important to listen to the fans, regardless if they are fans also.
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You may not yet have seen that the Star Wars world has a set of "guidelines", and they are ridiculously draconian. 10 minute features, no recognizable faces, limited use of sound effects, and only one entry in one event per year. Obviously, this is a way to have a fig leaf of "allowing" fans to make films without allowing anything substantial to ever exist.

Trek fan films had a luxury hotel suite by comparison. But maybe not anymore, and if so, all because Axanar decided to be stubborn BEFORE the lawsuit and ignore all indications that CBS had stated any informal boundaries such as don't make any money. Axanar had to go and build a for profit studio! And sell Trek IP merchandise of various sorts without a license! And pay many more people than ever before!

So the question now in part is will the studios effectively take all the wind out of the sails of fan films because of the appetite of Axanar.
 
JJ's quotes already all but said that Axanar themselves would be able to finish their film, which is feature-length. They aren't going to limit fan-films to 10 minutes. It would kill STC and ST NV/PII in the process. And if they setup a grandfather exemption clause it would piss people off. The guidelines have to be the same for everyone.

What I expect them to do is prohibit or limit productions from:

1) paying salaries
2) selling merch
3) taking hard assets obtained through crowdfunding and funneling it over to a for-profit business (Ares Studios)
 
mos6507 said:
JJ's quotes already all but said that Axanar themselves would be able to finish their film, which is feature-length. They aren't going to limit fan-films to 10 minutes. It would kill STC and ST NV/PII in the process. And if they setup a grandfather exemption clause it would piss people off. The guidelines have to be the same for everyone.

What I expect them to do is prohibit or limit productions from:

1) paying salaries
2) selling merch
3) taking hard assets obtained through crowdfunding and funneling it over to a for-profit business (Ares Studios)
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That would be nice. But this is setting precedent for what a hundred "fan films" across all their properties could be doing in a few years with new media tools and distribution networks. I think the stakes are very high, and it is likely there will be something which really locks it down more than this.
 
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