That's really the plaintiff's closing argument in one sentence.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Well I guess the forum does need a sarcasm tag, as I was jokingPLEASE...can I get some of what you're smoking as it's gotta be some AMAZING stuff....
. Hence the part about a movie that's..all about action, and based on a fairly mediocre episode of TOS, and using models from the Abrams film modified with a TOS flair.
Maybe it's more appropriate to call them connoisseurs of "Star Trek". Micro-brew drinkers vs. those who swill Inbev or SABMiller stuff. They are obviously those who appreciate the finer things the rest of us aren't cultivated enough for.
^^^Well I guess the forum does need a sarcasm tag, as I was joking
If that's the case, my bad. I've occasionally still check out the Axanar blogs (to see what crazy tangent Alec will spin next - and in the post of yours I responded to you really did come across like one of those 'Axanar Marines'; and I just went off; ooops.
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Hah, no problem. Tone, and sarcasm in particular, can be hard to read through the internet.^^^
If that's the case, my bad. I've occasionally still check out the Axanar blogs (to see what crazy tangent Alec will spin next - and in the post of yours I responded to you really did come across like one of those 'Axanar Marines'; and I just went off; ooops.
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If that's the case, my bad. I've occasionally still check out the Axanar blogs (to see what crazy tangent Alec will spin next - and in the post of yours I responded to you really did come across like one of those 'Axanar Marines'; and I just went off; ooops.
super rant, in any case
So, Trekkie Hipsters?
Headin' out to Axanar.
Yea, brother!
Headin' out to Axanar.
No more Abrams on my TV or my mind.
Gonna live like a king on the IP that I find.
Spend all the money on a studio that's mine.
Yea, brother. Yea.
OK, hipsters aren't exactly hippies, but give me a break.
What exactly is Gene's vision? That in the future mankind will flourish? That we should aspire to be better than we are? To put aside petty arguments and work together for a better tomorrow?
Maybe. But maybe it's also true that the definition is much, much wider.
Gene's vision was all about telling good stories. It encompasses all types of narrative, from action-adventure to cerebral thought-experiments, all of which entertained (or attempted to entertain) as many people as possible. Rather than there being any set of 'rules' for Trek, it seemed that anything was possible, from comedy to tragedy to action to drama. The only rules seem to be those that fans impose on the show themselves.
Gene's vision is so wide and so broad, it encompasses everything with the 'Star Trek' logo on it and more besides. Refining that down to a set of hard and fast rules as to what is and isn't 'true' Trek is a game for the narrow-minded.
And even then, if we were to narrow it down to the core concepts of IDIC and the no-character-conflict days of early TNG, that only makes the argument worse.
By insulting people, by being argumentative, engaging in personal conflict, by being a copyright thief, Peters is hypocritically turning away from those core tenets of peace and brotherhood. He espouses "Gene's Vision" and "True Trek", but if he'd absorbed even an iota of Trek's set of values, he wouldn't be acting the way he does.
He plays a Starfleet Hero but his actions are those of a Ferengi.
Edited to add: Didn't realise the post I'm replying to was made in jest. Oh well. My point still stands, though.
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No one can say he wasn't warned, both by the mods/admins and the responses up and down from the Federation citizens in general. He was skating on the edge for a long time.Yikes! The power of the permaban! Well there goes that idea of taking you in the back room and slapping you till your green in the face.
Thanks for using my quote, I honestly wasn't expecting any further developments after the article was published!
Incidentally, well done for sticking with this thread - there's a much higher degree of snark than elsewhere on the TrekBBS (which I find mostly very friendly) and a thick skin is an absolute necessity for any journalist.
If you'd like to get an idea of how to deal with Alec in person (and how he reacts to the harder questions), I highly recommend viewing the Trekzone interview conducted recently (two parts):
This thread, with all it's snark, is much more friendly than most of the Internet. If anyone is offended by what's posted here I'd recommend a journey through any of the other fandom fora, and the comments sections of literally every bloggy/viddy site. Then cross out the LFIM sycophants and see what's left.
We're like the Mister Rogers of the Internet. Fair, but discerning. Discriminating, but not malicious. We look at the facts and draw our conclusions.
Then we make really funny jokes at LFIM's expense. It's fun, and not for profit.
I've now read four drafts of the script, versions written over a number of years. They vary from terrible to Meh.
The only version I haven't read was Bill Hunt's version, the one a picture was tweeted of last year and that features heavily in the plantiff's case. From those who have read it, again, the comment was it's Meh.
It's surprising how "Abramsverse" the scripts are -- action, fighting, pew-pew. Not much philosophizing. Not particularly deep. No nuanced characterization. The irony is striking.
So it's a factual error that people haven't read the scripts.
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I agree, Jody, that the disconnect is amazing. Axanar was poised to out-NuTrek JJ. If Axanar is the film "real Trek fans have been waiting for," then they should love Beyond.
(For clarity: I'm not saying the new films are equal to Axanar quality-wise. I don't enjoy them, but they're competently made movies that vaguely comment on something, as opposed to Alec playing laser tag in front of a green screen.)
(For clarity: I'm not saying the new films are equal to Axanar quality-wise. I don't enjoy them, but they're competently made movies that vaguely comment on something, as opposed to Alec playing laser tag in front of a green screen.)
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I've read a version myself. And like any good journalist, I won't give up my source.
It's just putrid. Now I don't know if successive drafts were better. The one I read was an early version, potentially the first draft or one after.
However, I've on different occasions asked Peters and Burnett what was Axanar trying to say about war beyond the standard war cliche. In TOS, war was to be avoided at all cost, even if it meant having two warring planets actually slaughter each other with real weapons.
I asked them both, what is it that Axanar is trying to tell us about the horrors of war, like M*A*S*H or maybe even the anti-war film, JOHNNY GOT HIS GUN. But neither one had a satisfactory answer beyond "it's about the characters and does what any good STAR TREK story does." I suppose, but I didn't see it in the draft I read. Nor did I see it in PRELUDE. And I certainly didn't see it in the talky Vulcan Scene.
For all the lip service to "Real STAR TREK," Axanar has always smelled like generic space action movie in TOS drag.
Okay, fine. I did not know about that. I just said I joined this thread in mid-late March, when it was on page 650 or so. I went back and read about 50 or 60 pages of posts to catch myself up before posting. I wend back farther last night, and found the talk of a leaked script in late February at about page 490. It was talked about for a good 15-20 pages of posts and then the topic shifted. In the time I've been here, some 235 pages of postings, NOBODY mentioned having read any leaked script. Indeed, there was talk that nobody has seen proof of the "locked script".
So, no, I didn't get the bloody memo.
Sshhh. Ixnay on the locked scriptay. CBS might hear about it.
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