Trek 2017 TV Show Teaser
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People are already not going to watch the show because they used the phrase "New Villains" in a trailer? 
You guys can find anything to bitch about.
You guys can find anything to bitch about.
Will they finally show where the bathrooms are. Curious minds want to know.
There's one way we can have new crews in an anthology format while still keeping everything on the cheap -- Star Trek: Risa. Imagine, every week a new starship visits the planet for shore leave, and the crew gets into wacky adventures involving horga'hns, toxx ut'hats and weather stations.
Just remember: in 1987, "new villains" = Ferengi. Caveat emptor.
Whilst I agree that Trek is not about beating the villain, I don't think you are correct in stating such a thing crept in with ds9......DS9 is actually much more complex than that, besides which the 'beat the villain' plots are really only commonplace in the films....and it starts with Wrath of Khan. (it's not like space seed can't be summed up as beating the villain either.)
Trek is mostly not about beating the villain, and when it is, there tends to be something else going on too. (Gary Mitchell is absolutely a villain. The fact he is also Kirk's friend and his villainy was caused by an accident makes it interesting and more complex, but cut right down, he's no different from a Batman villain like TwoFace)
The Borg pretty much exist purely to be 'something really tough ('impossible' in their first appearence) to beat.'
They quiet literally have no personality, and by design aren't meant to develop or have arcs. They're also the villain that recurred most, in terms of them actually remaining in that villain role (as opposed to the Klingon and Ferangi.)
TNG - the source of all Trek's mediocrity. The whiners in 1986 were right!
In a stunning twist, CBS reveals its new 'Star Trek' series is a prequel based around Khan spending his time granting wishes on a tropical island.
Doctor Soren will make a surprise appearence as a fellow wish-granter, who's eventually inherits Khan's job. Briefly.
They quiet literally have no personality, and by design aren't meant to develop or have arcs. They're also the villain that recurred most, in terms of them actually remaining in that villain role (as opposed to the Klingon and Ferangi.)
TNG - the source of all Trek's mediocrity. The whiners in 1986 were right!
In a stunning twist, CBS reveals its new 'Star Trek' series is a prequel based around Khan spending his time granting wishes on a tropical island.
Doctor Soren will make a surprise appearence as a fellow wish-granter, who's eventually inherits Khan's job. Briefly.
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The Cage, Where No Man Has Gone Before, The Man Trap, What Are Little Girls Made of, The Corbomite Manoeuvre, The Conscience Of the King, The Squire of Gothos....
All contain villains as major plot points. And that's from the first twenty episodes. You may not 'count' them because of your own definition of 'villain' or 'antagonist' but they are quite easily what the teaser, and indeed anyone else, could refer to as TOS's villains. Not to mention the classic and most famous TOS villain, Khan.
Did they manage to keep Pike in a cell and do weird alien things to him for the rest of his life? No. Now I'm no genius, but that kinda leads to their cunning plan being foiled. Just because Pike didn't punch them in the face or crush their heads doesn't mean they weren't defeated.
.....and this kind of thing is why we don't get nice things.
Just because there are villains it doesn't mean that the series will be about nothing but fighting. I consider Dukat to be one of Trek's best villains and in most of his episodes he wan't even trying to kill the crew. And of course, if it wasn't for the action in WNMHGB NBC probably would have rejected Star Trek again.
Indeed. The Borg came in to be the bad guys to be defeated. But they were the exception, not the rule. This is indeed a case were the Trek writers created an undefeatable villain, and focused the plot on defeating the. So the Borg are surely just a mindless enemy that the heroes should mow down, right? What happened next? "I, Borg". "The Descendant I & II".
Did... did you just put "The conscience of the king" in the same basket with mindless action movies about stopping the bad guy? Also: How many of these episodes end with "heroes beating the badguy"?
Did you guys not read what I wrote before you responded?
There's nothing wrong with having "villains" in your story! Most stories have villains, and basically all good Trek episodes have at least some sort of antagonists.
The real problem is: Trek is not about beating bad guys. It's that simple. Despite whatever you say. There ARE of course oftentimes villains to further the story. But "stopping the badguy" is rarely the focal point of the story itself. When Trek started to focus on these "stop-the-villain-of-the-week"-plots was relatively precisely the point were critical reception and ratings became mediocre.
So. No problem with "new villains" at all. Only problem with your type of revisionist history were "Trek was always about beating the bad guy and after the badguy was killed there was a happy ending"
Yes, just like all the rest of 60s TV, Kirk-fu, phasers, and a smirk. And the occasional homemade cannon.
Did a side-by-side comparison of the two planets in the teaser with Praxis and Amargosa.
