Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[Christopher]

Spin coming from CBS.
“Who’s to say if we hadn’t made that deal that we wouldn’t have picked it up.”

Translation: If CW hadn't picked up Supergirl, we totally would've considered renewing the show. -_-

I see no reason to doubt that. If they hadn't been willing to keep the show, they wouldn't have kept the talks open for so long. It wasn't that they had anything against the show, it's just that it cost too much in proportion to its ratings and demographics (and therefore how much the advertisers were willing to spend on ad time). And there are lots of potential ways to reduce the expense of making a show -- renegotiating the license fee, convincing Warner Bros. to shoulder more of the production cost, moving to Vancouver, cutting back on action/FX, reducing the cast, reducing the season length, etc. So they could've renewed it even if The CW hdn't taken it, though it could've been with more severe austerity measures in place.

Everyone wants to read dishonesty and animosity into studios' cancellation decisions, but it's fundamentally just math -- the need to balance the equation so that profits exceed expenses. It's not usually about like or dislike toward a show, just about whether the math works out. In this case, the CW move solved the equation, but without it, there could've been another solution found.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The actor playing Max was already looking for another job before the CW move:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/03/02/supergirls-peter-facinelli-tapped-for-new-fox-pilot/

I would bet we won't have Max in season two.

If he was of the mind to shoot a pilot, usually its not the result a fly-by-night decision. Perhaps he's dissatisfied by Supergirl, and wanted to expand his horizons.

 

[tomalak301]

If he was of the mind to shoot a pilot, usually its not the result a fly-by-night decision. Perhaps he's dissatisfied by Supergirl, and wanted to expand his horizons.

Or he was fearing what a lot of people were fearing, which was Supergirl wouldn't be renewed and he wanted job security.

 

[Christopher]

Or he was fearing what a lot of people were fearing, which was Supergirl wouldn't be renewed and he wanted job security.

No, it's probably much simpler than that. Facinelli is just a recurring guest star on Supergirl. He would be the male lead in this pilot. That's a step up in money and prestige, an advance in his career. There's no reason to assume he would've done any differently even if the show had been renewed months ago.

After all, there have been countless instances of a semi-regular leaving a successful show in order to take a starring role on a new show. The instance that springs to my mind first is Brent Spiner. He had a recurring guest role on Night Court, and at the end of the 1986-7 season, his character Bob Wheeler bought the courthouse's concession stand, which was clearly setting him up for an enlarged role in the following season. But then he got cast as Data on Star Trek: TNG, so when Night Court returned, Bob had disappeared without explanation.

 

[sojourner]

Spin coming from CBS.
“Who’s to say if we hadn’t made that deal that we wouldn’t have picked it up.”

Translation: If CW hadn't picked up Supergirl, we totally would've considered renewing the show. -_-


http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/supergirl-cbs-president-reaction-cw-1201777795/

Hoping this is what happens with Limitless.

 

[FreezeC77]

I wonder if either next season or the following year if we might see a Crisis event hit the Berlantiverse and the end result be Supergirl and her crew on the same planet as the Flash and Green Arrow.

Pipe dream but I would love Superman to appear and be Tom Welling and have Superman die/lost as a result.

Then get a Justice Society series with Hank/Martian Manhunter the lead and guest spots by Flash/Supergirl/Green Arrow in different EPs.

 

[Christopher]

I wonder if either next season or the following year if we might see a Crisis event hit the Berlantiverse and the end result be Supergirl and her crew on the same planet as the Flash and Green Arrow.

Please, very much, no. I don't understand why anyone would want this. The existing Arrowverse shows already have enough trouble coordinating their continuity. Trying to rewrite two universes' continuities into one would make it an even more incoherent mess than it is already.

And there's no need for it. The Flash and Vibe have the power to cross universes. And it'd be easy enough to establish that the DEO had invented something to do the same, or that some device from the Fortress of Solitude could do it, or that there was just a permanent rift between worlds created when the Flash came across. There's no need to homogenize the universes to allow for ongoing interaction.

 

[Thestral]

There's probably some kind of Crisis event coming given a glimpse we got on last night's episode of Flash - but no reason to assume it'll tie into Supergirl.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The pilot. 3 years ago. (The leaked pilot.)

"Red Skies"

Red Skies are indicative of the Crisis on Infinite Earths.

 

[Thestral]

Doh, right and there's that of course.

 

[Noname Given]

If he was of the mind to shoot a pilot, usually its not the result a fly-by-night decision. Perhaps he's dissatisfied by Supergirl, and wanted to expand his horizons.

Perhaps he just wanted a regular paying gig as a lead in a series (Big shock there, eh?). That said, the article was written prior to the renewal of SG; and was that pilot actually picked up by FOX?

 

[Dick Whitman]

The CW announced its fall schedule this morning. Supergirl is keeping the same time slot it had on CBS. All the other DC Superhero shows are keeping their current slots. The surprise is Legends of Tommorrow is starting this fall too. Not mid season like its 1st year.

Not sure if this have been mentioned yet but CBS will be airing reruns this summer starting with the Pilot on May 30th.

 

[dahj]

The surprise is Legends of Tommorrow is starting this fall too. Not mid season like its 1st year.

Does that mean LoT will get a longer season or just end earlier?

 

[Dick Whitman]

Does that mean LoT will get a longer season or just end earlier?

Good question. I do not think we got an answer yet.

Apparently there are currently ongoing negotiations for Calista Flockhart to return for Supergirl's second season. She might not be a regular cast member and have a reoccurring role, The show is moving its production to another country. That is a really big deal. Her and Harrison Ford have a adopted son. Who is only a teenager. A move like that for most of the school year would be a major change for them http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/05/19/supergirls-calista-flockhart-may-not-return-as-series-regular/

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

the article was written prior to the renewal of SG; and was that pilot actually picked up by FOX?

Hence the reason I said his decision was not fly-by-night. He had to know just how much (or not) was intenddd for his SG character, so he made a business decision. If his pilot goes to series (and its shot in the States), Lord could be recast. That would not pose much of a problem.

 

[DigificWriter]

Given that we already know she agreed to stay with the series, all that they're most likely talking about re: Calista is exactly how to make the move to Vancouver work for her, and there are several options available to them:
1) Downgrade her role
2) Give her a contract similar to the one given to John Glover and Erica Durance during their tenures on Smallville wherein they are listed - and paid - as Series Regulars but do not appear in every single episode of the season

Option #2 is, IMO, the best and most likely option given that Calista loves working with Greg and has spoken extremely fondly of her character and of the series.

 

[Dick Whitman]

That sounds good to me. I really like her and the character but maybe that would give more variety and focus to episodes. The writers would know which episodes Cat can appear in. So she would get strong roles in those. While episodes without her would be more about J'onn and the DEO.

 

[Christopher]

As valuable as I feel Cat is to the show, I can see how reducing her role could work as a way of advancing Kara's story, since she'd have to learn to be more independent of her mentor. And Dick is right -- saving her for episodes where she'd have a significant role to play rather than just showing up to toss out some snark could be a good idea, as long as there's a significant number of them (say, comparable to Max's presence in season 1).

 

[Morpheus 02]

Please, very much, no. I don't understand why anyone would want this. The existing Arrowverse shows already have enough trouble coordinating their continuity. Trying to rewrite two universes' continuities into one would make it an even more incoherent mess than it is already.

And there's no need for it. The Flash and Vibe have the power to cross universes. And it'd be easy enough to establish that the DEO had invented something to do the same, or that some device from the Fortress of Solitude could do it, or that there was just a permanent rift between worlds created when the Flash came across. There's no need to homogenize the universes to allow for ongoing interaction.

These are all classic DC Earth 1 heroes.

They can wrap up the series by forming the Justice League, with Supergirl subbing for Superman. (after perhaps some time spent with the Legion of Super heroes,giving her some training on super hero teams).

there can be 1 episode to resolve the conflicts... most of each of the histories aren't intertwined with each other...easy to ignore / super-fans can make up rationaliations/excuses for. (Yknow, like we always do on a STAR TREK message board).

There's probably some kind of Crisis event coming given a glimpse we got on last night's episode of Flash - but no reason to assume it'll tie into Supergirl.

I don't think that even will be immediate...just whenever it seems to work out. Considering how recent the decision was to move Supergirl to the CW, a crisis event will definitely not occur next season.. though possibly for season 4

The CW announced its fall schedule this morning. Supergirl is keeping the same time slot it had on CBS. All the other DC Superhero shows are keeping their current slots. The surprise is Legends of Tommorrow is starting this fall too. Not mid season like its 1st year.

Not sure if this have been mentioned yet but CBS will be airing reruns this summer starting with the Pilot on May 30th.

The scheduling seems like overkill.. Flash & Supergirl would be better complementary (one airs while the other is off), and Arrow + LoT.

Well...we'll see...doesn't change our viewing habits...

And CBS re-running Supergirl? Now, that seems kind of pointless... it'd make much more sense for CW to do so -- gear up people for the new season, and possible add more viewers.

Good question. I do not think we got an answer yet.

Apparently there are currently ongoing negotiations for Calista Flockhart to return for Supergirl's second season. She might not be a regular cast member and have a reoccurring role, The show is moving its production to another country. That is a really big deal. Her and Harrison Ford have a adopted son. Who is only a teenager. A move like that for most of the school year would be a major change for them http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/05/19/supergirls-calista-flockhart-may-not-return-as-series-regular/

I think that makes the most sense... and if they can get stories in advance, double up on filming for Calista, so she's not away from her family for too long

Given that we already know she agreed to stay with the series, all that they're most likely talking about re: Calista is exactly how to make the move to Vancouver work for her, and there are several options available to them:
1) Downgrade her role
2) Give her a contract similar to the one given to John Glover and Erica Durance during their tenures on Smallville wherein they are listed - and paid - as Series Regulars but do not appear in every single episode of the season

Option #2 is, IMO, the best and most likely option given that Calista loves working with Greg and has spoken extremely fondly of her character and of the series.

Professionally for Calista, yeah, #2. But financially, considering the big cuts... making her recurring (and doubling up on film time with her) makes the most sense.

Dramatically, they have set it up so she only needs to do guest appearances

 

[Christopher]

These are all classic DC Earth 1 heroes.

No, these are all classic DC heroes. "Earth-1" is a plot contrivance that serves certain types of story. It is not a mandatory part of their nature -- since, of course, several of them (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, Aquaman, etc.) originated in the continuity that was later retroactively defined as "Earth-2." What was done in the past isn't a limitation on what can be done in the present or the future.

there can be 1 episode to resolve the conflicts... most of each of the histories aren't intertwined with each other...easy to ignore / super-fans can make up rationaliations/excuses for. (Yknow, like we always do on a STAR TREK message board).

Sure, if they combined the universes, they could work out the inconsistencies, but that has nothing to do with whether it is desirable to do so at all. There is nothing wrong with having multiple universes. Having Earth-2 on The Flash has been a good thing, a source of new story possibilities. Adding even more Earths to the mix would open even more storytelling doors. Collapsing it all into one universe would be an artificially imposed self-limitation that seems to have no more motivation behind it than "Well, DC did it 30 years ago and we're therefore somehow required to copy that slavishly even though DC reversed it a long time ago." If it had really been a good idea to wipe out the multiverse, then DC wouldn't have changed their minds and brought the multiverse back, now, would they?