Kirk's 'death' in STiD

[Amaris]

It would have been a pretty daring move. And a new arc for Spock to move to command of the Enterprise at the end of the movie, he'd be the one to give the speech we saw.

First he loses his mother, then Vulcan, then Pike, then Kirk. This could have "sobered him up" and transformed Spock more into the controlled person we saw in TOS.

Or it could have broken him completely, because usually the application of more pressure on a structure that is crumbling under massive pressure is not to be repaired, but to collapse.

 

[fireproof78]

I think 'Khan' Would have been better said under Spock's breath - as if remembering he still had to go after him. A nod to the script of the original, but a different context.

Other than that, I didn't really like the scene - too many flaws make the parallel unforgivable. What was the point trying to shoe-horn it in when it didn't really work or make sense (for the reasons given above)?

Because, unfortunately, TWOK and that specific scene, are the gold standard for Trek films.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

The only part of this scene that makes it work is Kirk's line: "And this is what you would have done", followed by nuSpock's shocked reaction.

He (nuSpock) knew what had happened in the prime timeline from his off-screen discussion with Spock:

nuSPOCK: Did you defeat him?
SPOCK: At great cost, yes.
nuSPOCK: How?

Kirk having the prescience to feel this solidifies their friendship in the new timeline. That's what makes the scene powerful.

The "Khaaan!" scream is contrived and pandering. At the very least, I would have preferred him uttering "Khan..." in muted rage.

 

[Tosk]

I personally didn't take that as Kirk being prescient of what will happen in an alternate timeline, I just took his statement to mean that he knew that Spock would sacrifice his life to save the ship. Just as he was willing to sacrifice himself to uphold the prime directive at the start of the film.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

This scene pretty much sums up my whole disappointment in NuTrek. It's trying to be Trek but falls short every time.

 

[TheFlutteringHorde]

I know I'm in the minority of people who bother to talk about it around here (that's as far as I'll concede--NO ONE made a sound at the packed screening I attended--there was just a hush appropriate to the intentions of the filmmakers and NO ONE I know IRL has commented on it in a negative fashion). I found the entire scene, including the Spock "scream", more compelling than in TWOK (a film I loved and saw about 5 times at the cinema when gathering funds to pay for movies was a serious effort back in 1982). I know, I know, leave my Trek fandom membership card on the way out. But there you have it.

Agreed, I really liked the scene, and I felt Spock's yelling was pretty true to character, and done better than TWOK. There's a reason Shatner's delivery of that one has become such an enduring joke.

 

[DonIago]

^OTOH, I like the interpretation that Kirk was deliberately manipulating Khan into thinking he was helpless at that point, since he and Spock had already worked out their plan to have the E pick them up in a few hours.

That said, given what happened immediately prior, there's likely some genuine anger with Khan in there as well.

 

[fireproof78]

I personally didn't take that as Kirk being prescient of what will happen in an alternate timeline, I just took his statement to mean that he knew that Spock would sacrifice his life to save the ship. Just as he was willing to sacrifice himself to uphold the prime directive at the start of the film.

I always took it as nuKirk reflecting upon Spock's willingness to die at the beginning of the film. Spock's death being colored by the fact that Spock had a death wish, versus Kirk who felt like he could cheat death at every turn.

 

[Tosk]

and I felt Spock's yelling was pretty true to character

True to the Quinto version, definitely.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

I personally didn't take that as Kirk being prescient of what will happen in an alternate timeline, I just took his statement to mean that he knew that Spock would sacrifice his life to save the ship. Just as he was willing to sacrifice himself to uphold the prime directive at the start of the film.

What I meant was that Kirk had a sense about the potential depth of their future friendship that would not come to fruition, not that he knew what happened in the alternate timeline.

 

[fireproof78]

True to the Quinto version, definitely.

 

[The Wormhole]

I miss the old shouting Spock thread.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It's all kinds of weird that years after that thread, we get the most infamous Spock shout ever.