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Spoilers Batman v Superman and Captain America Civil War

I don't get why that is hypocritical.

It's hypocritical because you insist collateral damage is a horrible thing, but then you criticize the movie that actually depicts it as horrible, while praising ones that mainly gloss over it and fluff it up.

I get that some people might have wanted to see some feel-good moments among the mayhem and that's understandable, but massive destruction should be uncomfortable and depicting it as such is not wrong.
 
No. CW was easier to digest because it was mostly one mindless fight scene after another with the story taking a back seat to all the action. There was nothing complex or interspective about it.

And I dont consider scenes that are cut so quickly that you can barely make out whats going on to be good editing.
Seriously - you want to talk 'mindless' fight scene? That's the last 20 minutes of BvS in a nutshell. And given the whole of BvS was nothing but mis-done character motivations leading up to trhat final fight; and that Lex Luthor was written more like the Joker...
 
Marvel makes movies that are much easier to digest for the masses than what D.C is doing currently. I liked BvsS but I can understand why many didn't. It's just too depressing and morbid for people expecting a joy ride when they watch a superhero movie.
What I was expecting was an entertaining movie when I went to see both these films. CACW was just that, entertaining as well as being thought provoking. BvS put me to sleep...twice. BvS's big problem was that it took itself WAY to seriously and then failed to deliver a decent payoff for all of the teeth knashig and "important" looks on the faces of it's main characters.
 
It's hypocritical because you insist collateral damage is a horrible thing, but then you criticize the movie that actually depicts it as horrible, while praising ones that mainly gloss over it and fluff it up.
I didn't insist anything.

But the difference lies in the attempts of the hero/s to protect the innocent. Right or wrong, that perception is (I believe) what drives many of the complaints.
 
Civil war wasn't really thought provoking to me, the entire concept of what made the split is completely shafted. The concept was so good, but they dropped the ball. There's like... one or two scenes where they discuss it in a 2.5 hour movie.

Many of the fights seemed like they had no stakes and no danger since none of them actually wanted to hurt each other. Compare that to BvS which spends a significant amount of time setting up the reasons for B and S opposing eachother. So I found the ideas more thought provoking in BvS as well as the fights more entertaining.
 
Compare that to BvS which spends a significant amount of time setting up the reasons for B and S opposing eachother.
Apart from the idea that Batman was a little rough on criminals, why did Superman oppose Batman so strongly? What was the impetus for his decision to suddenly put his career to an end? And in the final confrontation, why did he keep fighting Batman rather than continue his explanation of the situation?

I agree though, they did spend a lot of time on it.
One of them thought the other one was too dangerous to trust.
One of them thought the other one was too tough on criminals.
 
And in the final confrontation, why did he keep fighting Batman rather than continue his explanation of the situation?

Why did Cap continue the airport fight?
Why did he start it up again after they stopped when Vision showed up?
 
I agree though, they did spend a lot of time on it.
One of them thought the other one was too dangerous to trust.
One of them thought the other one was too tough on criminals.

That's pretty much it, and to me it seems most of the conflict was on the side of Batman wanting to take Superman out.

Civil War on the other hand had a great setup with freedom vs registration but it turned into all the characters cracking jokes and fighting over Bucky. I'm not even sure why characters picked either side since barely any of them expressed an opinion on it. Then there's a chunk of time spent on Spiderman and he doesn't have a single thought about the conflict at hand.

Both of the climactic fights in these movies involve their parents, but BvS it was crucial to Batman's perception of Superman and his reason for fighting. In Civil War I have no idea why Tony's parents are supposed to be relevant to the "Civil War" except it is yet again about fighting over Bucky.
 
That's pretty much it, and to me it seems most of the conflict was on the side of Batman wanting to take Superman out.

Civil War on the other hand had a great setup with freedom vs registration but it turned into all the characters cracking jokes and fighting over Bucky. I'm not even sure why characters picked either side since barely any of them expressed an opinion on it. Then there's a chunk of time spent on Spiderman and he doesn't have a single thought about the conflict at hand.

Both of the climactic fights in these movies involve their parents, but BvS it was crucial to Batman's perception of Superman and his reason for fighting. In Civil War I have no idea why Tony's parents are supposed to be relevant to the "Civil War" except it is yet again about fighting over Bucky.
From what I gathered Tonys parents had the secret syrem in the trunk of the car and thats why Bucky took them out. Now how there just happened to be cameras in that EXACT spot where the car crashed in the middle of nowhere is anybodies guess.
 
From a poster on another website:

Now, here's the guide through the bullshit: they were already headed in this direction of "Hope and Optimism". Terrio said that very thing; the whole purpose of killing Superman in BvS was to wipe the slate clean on how the people of the world see him (to make him the ideal hero upon his return) and to show a Batman that went to the edge but came back.

But what DC has learned is that people, on average, can't discern between how some characters are viewed by other doubting characters (Batman, the humans that fear a godlike being) and that character's actual traits.

Take this sentence from this report:

"DC’s nascent cinematic universe has so far depicted Superman as an angry god; a violent, alien entity that needs to be kept in check."

This is FACTUALLY incorrect. Superman at his core has been hopeful, yet at times melancholy at how his attempts at good acts are received negatively amongst a human population that sees him as a threat that needs to be kept in check. But he himself as a character was proven to not be those things that were so feared. He's never been violent or angry except when the violence is brought to him (Zod bringing the world engine, Luthor harming his loved ones, Batman going to war); that doesn't make him a violent character by his nature.

But apparently unless we have a montage of people cheering him on or all the other superheroes talking him up as a hero movie goers and critics can't discern the difference. So, going forward, we'll have "hope and optimism," and like a laugh track being provided to know when to guffaw for a sitcom, we'll all now know when to cheer Superman because we'll see the crowd of extras cheering, or we'll know when they did something heroic because another hero will point out how heroic it was.

Of course, they were already going in this general direction as made obvious by the actual story and character arcs in BvS. They've just learned that they need to hold our hands a bit more and provide the head pats. Now, this may certainly be the balm that makes the series more mainstream / populist, but I can't say that I'm also not concerned that it'll make it far less interesting from a story potential standpoint. I fear we'll get generic sameness, because why strive for something more (and possibly fail in the effort) when you can meet lower expectations by keeping things simplistic?
 
Why did Cap continue the airport fight?
Why did he start it up again after they stopped when Vision showed up?
I don't know. So that he could leave with Bucky, I'm assuming. Tony wasn't letting them leave, Steve decided to fight his way out.

But back to mine, why did Superman keep smacking Batman around like that?

Now, here's the guide through the bullshit: they were already headed in this direction of "Hope and Optimism". Terrio said that very thing; the whole purpose of killing Superman in BvS was to wipe the slate clean on how the people of the world see him (to make him the ideal hero upon his return) and to show a Batman that went to the edge but came back. [...] Now, this may certainly be the balm that makes the series more mainstream / populist, but I can't say that I'm also not concerned that it'll make it far less interesting from a story potential standpoint.
If it was always headed in this direction anyway, then how can it be less interesting from a story potential standpoint? It's either a change in direction or it isn't. That said, I agree with the refutation of that "angry violent god" balony.
 
I don't know. So that he could leave with Bucky, I'm assuming. Tony wasn't letting them leave, Steve decided to fight his way out.

If Tony was beyond reason(which he wasn't at this point) why didn't he explain to Vision and the rest of them when they stopped fighting that there is a bad guy behind this with an intent of unleashing unstoppable supersoldiers and time is of the essence?

Why didn't he surrender, just get on the Quinnjet with all of them, and then discuss it in a calm environment why they should divert the plane to Siberia to stop this guy instead of resorting to an immediate punch-out?

Why are you so intent on singling out one film for a trope that's been going on in comics for centuries?
 
Another comparison to BvS to a previous Avengers film.

Both BvS and AoU have characters experience prophetic dreams about the future, which have nothing to do with the actually movie we are watching.

Haha. You know I'm starting to think that Marvel might just be better at hiding their flaws than DC films, or audiences are just more willing to overlook them. So far, DC and Marvel have done scores of similar things, but Marvel doesn't catch as much of the flak for it as DC.

Food for thought.
 
Why are you so intent on singling out one film for a trope that's been going on in comics for centuries?
I'm not intent, I just asked a question. No one has answered it.

Saying, "X movie did the same thing" doesn't help. Civil War wasn't some be-all, end-all that did no wrong. None of the MCU films have been that.
 
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