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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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This is one aspect of Axanar that I have struggled with in its PR statements. Regardless of personal interest in the project, Axanar doesn't endear itself to me by stating it's "True Trek."

Honestly, looking at both, Axanar is quite similar to Abrams Trek, despite Axanar's vehement denials of Abrams Trek. Rather frustrating to me.
"True Trek" to me is something that has a compelling storyline and social message and good character development. For example, the story arc in DS9 IMO was some of the best in Star Trek history. No Trek is perfect and all of the shows including TOS had their fair share of bad writing. I personally don't care for the overdone lens flare, CGI, weak plot, weak villains, recycled storylines of J.J. Trek but everyone has their preferences. Axanar may NOT be "true trek" but it certainly had a more genuine feel to me and many Trekkers than the J.J. Universe that was created.
 
I have already received a response from Alec Peters again claiming they are NOT a for-profit business.
He on the record as saying it's not-for-profit because they "won't put it in a theater and charge admission." Sorry, but there are other ways to make a profit in film-making.
 
Yesh. Go to a Ren Fair for a few hours, and there's five more pages of postings to wade thru when I get home.Don't know anything about Monster Cables, so in the ten minutes or so I scanned the documents ....

At face value, it looks like Monster had a legitimate complaint with a competitor and sent a typical C&D letter. I have no problem with that. Said competitor replied questioning the validity of the complaint. Again, fairly typical. You either say "Our bad, we'll fix it" or "What are you talking about?" Axanar pretty much told CBS "Stick it in your ear."

That's one example of Monster sending a C&D letter. Once or even a few times seems normal. If they do it ALL THE FREAKING TIME for ever little tiny detail they think they can lay claim to, then yes, this would be the patent troll you're looking for.

The thing about the golf course was total overreach. If perhaps the golf course used an icon/logo that was too similar to Monster Cable, then yeah that's a valid complaint. Or did a junior staff member get carried away and do something stupid that Monster Cable CEO didn't sign off on? I've seen that happen a time or two.

By the way, the two cases you mentioned were from 2008. Any idea how they were resolved? And do you have more recent examples of your company standing up to trolls???
We would really LOVE to hear his answer. Seriously. If you get him on-record, please let us know what he says. Before you ask him, be sure to tell him how great he is and that you're rooting for him. He'll probably spend a couple hours bragging about all the good he's done for Trek that all the haters just can't appreciate.
To breach a copyright is, by its very definition, illegal, so it's impossible to "legitimately breach" a copyright. I would have left the wording as "taking advantage of copyright". Or better yet, "improperly taking advantage of CBS's intellectual property."
You obviously don't know the history of Monster and their tactics including trademarking the very word "monster". They are very hated in the audio world b/c of this.

They claim against Bluejeans was bogus and they backed down once I published the response. They not only backed off from Monster MiniGolf when I made it public but they also paid their legal fees too! They weren't suing Monster MiniGolf or others for using their logo. They were suing for using the word "Monster" in their business.

I suggest you research this a little more.
 
If you're able to formulate that opinion so quickly without actually reading our content or knowing our industry accolades, than I'd rather you not be a regular reader of my site or trust the content therein. There are plenty of other AV websites you can get your information from. Your choice and I have no desire to win you over as a reader.
Your posts give me the impression you don't invest adequate time into researching your topics before publishing your thoughts on them. For example, with your posted article here, you wanted feedback, but instead of finding people who agree and give you the accolades you're clearly looking for, they have torn your poorly written, poorly researched article to pieces. So it's not just me you're telling you don't want my readership, but everyone in this thread, and anyone they share this thread with.

The simple fact is that if I can't trust you to research basic facts before posting them on your industry accolade garnering website, why should I trust anything else? The article you wrote and posted is so myopic and self-congratulatory that it borders on parody. Tell everyone else here you don't want their readership. It's only 25,000 people.
 
Article key points:
  • ... The author sucks as badly as the whole J.J. Trek Universe: check
I fixed that for you.

But congratulations on manipulating the anger in this thread to help you with your article nonetheless. People telling you to go to hell are also helping to improve your article. I find that amusing. The Dark Side is strong with you.
 
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Your posts give me the impression you don't invest adequate time into researching your topics before publishing your thoughts on them. For example, with your posted article here, you wanted feedback, but instead of finding people who agree and give you the accolades you're clearly looking for, they have torn your poorly written, poorly researched article to pieces. So it's not just me you're telling you don't want my readership, but everyone in this thread, and anyone they share this thread with.

The simple fact is that if I can't trust you to research basic facts before posting them on your industry accolade garnering website, why should I trust anything else? The article you wrote and posted is so myopic and self-congratulatory that it borders on parody. Tell everyone else here you don't want their readership. It's only 25,000 people.
You shouldn't trust anything on Audioholics.com so I suggest you DON'T come to that site for AV advice.

In fact I insist that you stop reading that website right NOW! If you give me your IP address, i can permanently block you from it to ensure you don't accidentally find it in a Google search when you're doing your research.
 
You know this how? The movie was never made.

Neil
Why, by virtue of it not being Abrams trek, of course. Just like the Coloratura XR69109 home theater is superior to the Marantz AV8802A. I mean, the Coloratura doesn't exist, but since it's not the Marantz and is a true home theater system, it is clearly the real deal.

You shouldn't trust anything on Audioholics.com so I suggest you DON'T come to that site for AV advice.

In fact I insist that you stop reading that website right NOW! If you give me your IP address, i can permanently block you from it to ensure you don't accidentally find it in a Google search when you're doing your research.

Don't be silly. I have to tell my friends, first.
 
"True Trek" to me is something that has a compelling storyline and social message and good character development. For example, the story arc in DS9 IMO was some of the best in Star Trek history. No Trek is perfect and all of the shows including TOS had their fair share of bad writing. I personally don't care for the overdone lens flare, CGI, weak plot, weak villains, recycled storylines of J.J. Trek but everyone has their preferences. Axanar may NOT be "true trek" but it certainly had a more genuine feel to me and many Trekkers than the J.J. Universe that was created.

Funny how much you're starting to stress your criticisms of non-JJ Trek are your personal opinion. Yet, once you start going on (and on) about JJ Trek, suddenly you're speaking for a majority of fans?

My short exposure to your journalistic practices (or, lack thereof) over the course of this day not only makes me not want to ever check your website, but actively make sure you don't dupe further people into driving traffic there, as well. (And no, my IP is of no concern or business of yours, so don't bother asking)
 
I suggest you research this a little more.
Doesn't interest me enough. I spent 10-15 minutes getting a little background, and that was enough. If Monster Cables did all that you say they did, and I have no reason to doubt your word, then I agree that they seem to be trolls more interested in shaking down the competition instead of improving their product. And again, that was eight years ago. I'm sure there are more current examples.

However, comma, this is a far cry from what CBS / Paramount is doing in respect to Axanar. This is the first time in forever they have had to push beyond the Cease-and-Desist letter stage to protect their copyrights, and indeed they have rarely ever sent C&D letters out, and I have never heard of them sending to fan-fiction authors or fan-film productions before now.
 
Funny how much you're starting to stress your criticisms of non-JJ Trek are your personal opinion. Yet, once you start going on (and on) about JJ Trek, suddenly you're speaking for a majority of fans?

My short exposure to your journalistic practices (or, lack thereof) over the course of this day not only makes me not want to ever check your website, but actively make sure you don't dupe further people into driving traffic there, as well.
Another satisfied customer! If getting people to not invest time or money into one's site is his ultimate goal, he's Axanaring it just right! :lol:
 
"True Trek" to me is something that has a compelling storyline and social message and good character development. For example, the story arc in DS9 IMO was some of the best in Star Trek history.

That's a reasonable position. Especially on DS9.

No Trek is perfect and all of the shows including TOS had their fair share of bad writing.

Also reasonable.

I personally don't care for the overdone lens flare, CGI, weak plot, weak villains, recycled storylines of J.J. Trek but everyone has their preferences.

Prelude to Axanar has talking heads filmed in a JJTrek style and CGI special effects sequences with plenty of lens flare, right from the opening shot.

Weak plot? STID, yes, I agree its plot is weak, because it tries to borrow from TWOK, but TWOK had more going for it to make it work -- the backstory from Space Seed, the audience's familiarity with a group of familiar faces getting visibly older in a story that deals with age and other issues that STID can't draw on. But ST09 has a lot of plot, and most of it works, imho -- Kirk growing into a leader instead of a loser.

Axanar may NOT be "true trek" but it certainly had a more genuine feel to me and many Trekkers than the J.J. Universe that was created.

It looks like JJTrek and it's about war and it has a lot of talking heads. I see more resemblance to JJTrek than I do to any pre-2009 Star Trek. And Prelude can't really tell us much about what the full movie would be like, because the movie would have a different cast and a different storytelling style, among other things. I'm personally much more interested in Star Trek Beyond, given Simon Pegg's story involvement, and the new series, given the producers announced, than I am in an unlicenced low budget film.
 
. Axanar may NOT be "true trek" but it certainly had a more genuine feel to me and many Trekkers than the J.J. Universe that was created.
Axanar isn't any kind of Trek, unless you're talking about a 20 minute teaser and a 3 minute walk-and-talk scene.

It's time you just 'fess up to why you're really here. It's not to promote a poorly written opinion piece, but to troll those of us you perceive to be "haters." Come on, admit it. Then we can all get back to the subject at hand, i.e., discussing LFIM's douchecanoery*.

*Props to Wil Wheaton. :techman:
 
In fact I insist that you stop reading that website right NOW! If you give me your IP address, i can permanently block you from it to ensure you don't accidentally find it in a Google search when you're doing your research.
This board really needs a sarcasm tag........

By the way, I gave you a "like" for the snappy comment. That was pretty good.
 
Doesn't interest me enough. I spent 10-15 minutes getting a little background, and that was enough. If Monster Cables did all that you say they did, and I have no reason to doubt your word, then I agree that they seem to be trolls more interested in shaking down the competition instead of improving their product. And again, that was eight years ago. I'm sure there are more current examples.

However, comma, this is a far cry from what CBS / Paramount is doing in respect to Axanar. This is the first time in forever they have had to push beyond the Cease-and-Desist letter stage to protect their copyrights, and indeed they have rarely ever sent C&D letters out, and I have never heard of them sending to fan-fiction authors or fan-film productions before now.
It's not our mission statement to seek out patent/copyright trolls. We write about this topic when the opportunity presents itself. We usually stick to AV but in this case I had an interest in Axanar since I'm a big Star Trek fan. Most of the content in the article everyone loves to hate has already been in print elsewhere so nothing was "made up" other than our opinion about J.J. Trek.

It really doesn't matter what else I say in this thread since the most vocal readers of this thread have already formulated their opinions about us. I am getting with the article's author tomorrow to take another pass before it goes live and hopefully will get a response from the Axanar Productions people about their 501c intentions by then.

This time I am truly done with this thread and any further commentary will be made on our forum if needed. The only difference is I won't threaten to "eliminate" people that disagree on our forum. I have enjoyed this roasting you guys have given me here and it has opened my eyes to general attitude on this website. Once again, thank you and live long and prosper.
 
This time I am truly done with this thread
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