Literally a piece of wood that some guy patented in the 1890's and eventually ended up being made by Hasbro is...supposed to be involved with Demonic possession. Does that also apply to Monopoly?
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Are you trying to claim that every $20 ouija board sold the world over literally has a demon trapped inside it? How does the Chinese factory where they're probably made get them in there?
Just to let you know, this:
does not equal this:
And if the person in question is indeed a real person, do you think she appreciates you throwing her name around publicly for something like this?
So... Satan is all about results, whereas God just likes to mess with you? Good to know.
This seems to be a go-to argument with some religious people, and honestly, it really bugs me. Atheists can still be ethical people who know the difference between right and wrong, even without some threat of divine punishment from some magical sky-based father figure. Seriously, is *all* that is holding you back from running through the streets killing indiscriminately, the threat of burning in hell after you die? Who is more ethical, the person that does the right thing because their own internalized sense of ethics, or the person who does the right thing because they're afraid of punishment if they don't?
I strongly believe that everyone has the right to believe whatever they want. If you're a believer, that's great, more power to you. I'm glad you found something that brings your life meaning. But there's no need to denigrate those who don't believe, and nothing in what you've written is "scientific proof" of anything.
I'm not an atheist but I fail to see why they need to be 'challenged' about this or anything else. A philosophical discussion maybe but this?
For the record, I grew up in a particular religious sect where stories like this ran rampant. They may be true, they may be urban legends. I just know they started to sound like ghost stories. "This happened to my cousin's best friend's uncle' type of things. Everything was evil. I remember hearing someone saying they went to see Lord of the Rings and could 'feel the evil coming out of the screen.' I said I got the same feeling listening to those 1980s' fake metal hair bands.
The book of Revelation is about the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70. The Anti-Christ is Nero. It was written in apocalyptic language as a sort of code to the young persecuted Christian church. Now there are Christians who believe it is prophetic and speaks of future events and they are free to do so. I just don't happen to think that's what it's about.
For the record, I grew up in a particular religious sect where stories like this ran rampant. They may be true, they may be urban legends. I just know they started to sound like ghost stories. "This happened to my cousin's best friend's uncle' type of things. Everything was evil. I remember hearing someone saying they went to see Lord of the Rings and could 'feel the evil coming out of the screen.' I said I got the same feeling listening to those 1980s' fake metal hair bands.
The book of Revelation is about the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70. The Anti-Christ is Nero. It was written in apocalyptic language as a sort of code to the young persecuted Christian church. Now there are Christians who believe it is prophetic and speaks of future events and they are free to do so. I just don't happen to think that's what it's about.
Monopoly is evil. Whenever I played it with my sisters and brother as a child the game ended up with fighting and tears.
And what is Dante's Inferno if not the ultimate example of AU self-insertion fanfic?
I just can't why Christian cannot see how bizarre and unrealistic Jesus's sacrifice appears to outsiders.
Jerry Springer: World Edition.
I really don't want to get into this, but I think there are a few things that need to be said.
We're told to spread the word. I think the best way to do that is to lead by example. Unfortunately, most of the "examples" we see are the worst ones, those who misunderstand the message and cast the rest of us in a bad light.
We're told to not judge. That doesn't mean we should not be discerning, it means that we are not the ones to say who goes up or down. That's not up to us.
Some people are so clearly wrong about the message that they should just be ignored. Others want so badly to spread the word, but can't see the forest for the trees. These are the ones who shouldn't be ridiculed, but engaged. Have a conversation with them. They might learn something from you, and you might learn something from them.
I don't want this to come across as preachy, just to add a bit of perspective.
Tolerance is the name of the game. Find out what motivates people you disagree with, and you might find common ground.
Ok, I'm done.
We're told to spread the word. I think the best way to do that is to lead by example. Unfortunately, most of the "examples" we see are the worst ones, those who misunderstand the message and cast the rest of us in a bad light.
We're told to not judge. That doesn't mean we should not be discerning, it means that we are not the ones to say who goes up or down. That's not up to us.
Some people are so clearly wrong about the message that they should just be ignored. Others want so badly to spread the word, but can't see the forest for the trees. These are the ones who shouldn't be ridiculed, but engaged. Have a conversation with them. They might learn something from you, and you might learn something from them.
I don't want this to come across as preachy, just to add a bit of perspective.
Tolerance is the name of the game. Find out what motivates people you disagree with, and you might find common ground.
Ok, I'm done.
In fairness to the Bible it doesn't make it clear if God created any more people after Adam and Eve or not , it does not say how Cain's wife came into being.
A huge plot hole IMO .
A huge plot hole IMO .
If some of it is definitely figurative, then any of it might be indeterminately figurative.
An atheist's morality come from themselves, just like yours does except without pareidolia projecting a magical authority on it.
Normally that's true, but mine eyes have witnessed the ascendency of Trump, so I've been reevaluating my position of late.
Based on the overall quality of your arguments and evidence, I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're quoting The Usual Suspects instead of Baudelaire. Which is appropriate, since Keyser Söze is also a murderous fictional construct created from a hodgepodge of sources intended to frighten people into submission with scary stories of his horrific crimes so the real men behind it can maintain their position of dominance and get away with a lot of evil shit.
So, God, the supposedly all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful being, can't review the circumstances of my life once I die to determine why I made the choice to be an atheist, and that it was because I saw no convincing evidence suggesting that God ever existed? It wasn't out of denial, since I'm perfectly willing to accept new information and evidence when it's available. It's that nothing ever happened to make me believe in God. Isn't that kind of on Him instead of me? There might be a person living in my attic right now, but unless they speak up with something more convincing then the occasional creaking floorboards in the middle of the night, it's pretty unreasonable of them to expect me to acknowledge them when I have no proof that they even exist.
Also, how insecure do you have to be to be omnipotent and omniscient yet still require the acknowledgement of some nobody like me in order to let me into your exclusive after party? Wouldn't a truly benevolent and loving God welcome all good people into His Kingdom regardless of whether they prayed or practiced the right way or believed in Him? Even if I believed God were real, I wouldn't choose to worship a God who condemned good people to eternal torment just because they weren't blindly obedient to Him or practiced a different faith. That's evil and unworthy of respect.
I've always suspected that Wal-Mart made a pact with Satan given some of their business practices, but it's good to have it confirmed by someone on the hotline to Jesus.
You believe demons actually reside inside the cheap .50 cent block of wood like it's a Ghostbusters trap?
I've never even heard that one from people who believe in that crap before. Usually it's just a method to contact the other side, not some demon squatter's bachelor pad. So, when we had a Ouija Board getting dusty in our storage closet for thirty years because no one ever played it, were we restraining the poor demon who wanted to get out, like some kind of evil Jumanji? Maybe God should fear me, since apparently I have demon fighting powers and didn't even know it. I'm like Rey in Star Wars. First day; best Jedi ever.Also, read this, and learn all about where the demons in the Ouija Board come from.
So we're using "This one time at band camp..." stories as proof?
Your pastor knew he had an audience of impressionable children so he told the girl to go up front and pretend to be unable to pray while he played a recording of growling sounds, because church authority figures are sometimes tricky like that?
You and the girl heard and felt in your own heads what you had been scared into believing by irresponsible adults, because the mind is tricky like that?
You've heard the story told a thousand times over the years and have actually managed to convince yourself that it's true, because memory is tricky like that?
You're just making this all up, because people are tricky like that?
Well, I'm convinced. I was on the fence before, but once you said "He is so real," I said, "Dammit, this guy makes a solid argument. So long heathen unbelievers. I'm with Team Jesus now."
Why is it so important for you that every atheist believes the same thing you do? Surely an all-powerful being can't get its feewings hurt by little old me, right?
So I'm guessing there's no commandment against sharing someone's personal information online without their permission? More like a guideline then.
I do love that it's Camp Manville, though. Apropos.
Important safety tip.
Nothing to lose except hurting your family and friends who love you and ending your life prematurely when you could instead do something productive that benefits the lives of others in whatever way you can.
It's pretty scary that you can't conceive of reasons outside Biblical commandments for why you should or shouldn't do such drastic things as take your own life. I bet you're one of those people who wonders why atheists don't just go around murdering people left and right since they don't believe the Ten Commandments are the literal word of God, aren't you?
And for a bit of morbid meta-synergy with this portion of the discussion, a doubly relevant musical interlude:
My Bible says Reginald Barclay and a Changeling posing as the Snake erased that timeline from existence and we're now living in JJ Abraham's rebooted nuEden, which is like six times the size of the previous Eden-prize and features (Alice) Eve showing her boobs to Kirk without making him turn around, because there's no longer any shame.
Kind of a dick move, really. It's like putting a cookie in front of a little kid and telling them not to eat it, and then if they do, because they're kids, you give them up for adoption. It's kind of hard to learn from your mistakes when the punishment is so disproportional to the crime and long lasting, and you kinda helped cause the crime in the first place by being the only authority figure with experience in existence and entrapping them with the apple. Oh and you could easily use your superpowers to erase the mistake from their heads and give them a second chance with a better explanation besides "Don't do it because I said so!", but you decided this was their one and only chance.
You're just a good advice giving machine today.
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I'm calling bullshit. The evil in those movies wasn't in 3D.
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@5billionof5billion, would you give Lucifer a chance? You've said all of these horrible things against her, but haven't really heard her out.
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