CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[steam235]

Not to change the subject but A.P. (at least at the start) had a lot of fan film people around him. Most people already in fan films know that there are certain guidelines, albeit rather grey they are rather risky to cross. It surprises me with some of the people that contributed to this venture and I have to wonder if they knew deep down it would end this way.

It's hard to say when people should know to turn away. Certainly the original director saw the signs. I'd say after Prelude came out things looked great, When they did their first kickstarter seemed like they were the new shining stars. I'd say that when they did the major moving of goal posts before the indigogo drive is when most people saw the true scope creep. And that is when people started leaving.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Really how would you "open up on me"? Hmm

The clue is in my name

I'm a warship, its what i do...

First of all, you clearly show which side of the debate you are on before a word is read with a #IStandWithAxanar picture in a prominent place.

Also, the caption of the shuttle and starship is incorrect - that is not from the Prelude "documentary" at all...

Your suggestion of

Could Wheaton be positioning himself for some cameo appearances in upcoming Trek films?

is wrong as much as it is rude.

Lastly, your closing comment of

Live Long and Prosper? Perhaps only as long as CBS and Paramount can continue to milk the cash cow.

only confirms the fact you think Alec has done no wrong

#

Its a wonder how you graduated an English class

 

[dmac]

Tell me the factual errors and I will gladly research and correct as this article is NOT yet live on our homepage so I welcome constructive feedback to make it more accurate before it debuts.

"Axanar Productions is a non-profit, crowd-funded production company created to make films around Star Trek’s Axanar storyline."
I might have stuck in the word ALLEGED somewhere.

 

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I don't know why people such as yourself (and Alec Peters) decided you speak for all or a majority of Star Trek fans. That in itself turns me off from an article like yours assuming a false sense of authority as a spokesman guru.

I actually laughed out loud at your assertion CBS/P is jealous of Alec Peters & Axanar. Ha Ha! I'm not sure what CBS/P is supposed to be jealous of. A 50 something year old man living off of fundme donations from IP he doesn't own?

This is about AP & Co.'s direct financial benefit from copyright infringements if you'd bother to read the lawsuit.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

"Axanar Productions is a non-profit, crowd-funded production company created to make films around Star Trek’s Axanar storyline."
I might have stuck in the word ALLEGED somewhere.

I would have gone for outright thief and liar

 

[AudioGene]

That image is from the Axanar database. I suppose I could change it and put one of the Ares. Of course the article is on the side of the fans and fanfilms. I would think it's obvious without having to state our intentions. Yes it is blatantly clear we are NOT fans of J.J. Trek in case you missed our subtle points.

I toned down the sentence about Wheaton, especially since I found another statement by him roasting the lousy trailer of the new Star Trek Beyond film.

It now reads as follows:

While Wheaton does make some valid points,we can't help wonder if he is positioning himself for some cameo appearances in upcoming Trek films?​

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

That image is from the Axanar database. I suppose I could change it and put one of the Ares. Of course the article is on the side of the fans and fanfilms. I would think it's obvious without having to state our intentions. Yes it is blatantly clear we are NOT fans of J.J. Trek in case you missed our subtle points.

I toned down the sentence about Wheaton, especially since I found another statement by him roasting the lousy trailer of the new Star Trek Beyond film.

It now reads as follows:

While Wheaton does make some valid points,we can't help wonder if he is positioning himself for some cameo appearances in upcoming Trek films?​

There is a line between not being a fan of a person's work and outright destroying it.

You crossed that line

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

God that was an idiotic piece. Stick to techie reviews.

Request permission to train main turrets on him and open fire?

 

[AudioGene]

I don't know why people such as yourself (and Alec Peters) decided you speak for all or a majority Star Trek fans. That in itself turns me off from an article like yours assuming a false sense of authority as a spokesman guru.

I actually laughed out loud at your assertion CBS/P is jealous of Alec Peters. Ha Ha! I'm not sure what CBS/P is supposed to be jealous of. A 50 something year old man living off of fundme donations from IP he doesn't own?

This is about AP & Co.'s direct financial benefit from copyright infringements if you'd bother to read the lawsuit.

First off, it's an opinion piece and if you disagree then great, it's your opinion too. Not sure if you saw all of the negative comments on the Star Trek Beyond Trailer on Youtube but they actually had to take it down and repost it in hopes of a better outcome which never happened. Most of the comments about Star Trek Beyond are not very flattering thus far. And most Star Trek fans I know hated Into Darkness.

Yea I agree poor choice of word "jealous" by the author. I changed it to "threatened".

 

[steam235]

Really how would you "open up on me"? Hmm.

Tell me the factual errors and I will gladly research and correct as this article is NOT yet live on our homepage so I welcome constructive feedback to make it more accurate before it debuts.

"Axanar Productions is a non-profit, crowd-funded production company created to make films around Star Trek’s Axanar storyline."
1. It's not non profit, not classified, or registered as such and does not act as if it is. People have made a lot of money off of the Axanar donations. 2. People didn't think they were crowsd funding a production company they thought they were crowd financing a film. Alec and co coopted the funds to make the production company.

"while landing some Star Trek veteran actors to play lead roles such as J.G. Hertzler, Gary Graham, Tony Todd to name a few."

Tony Todd left the production and spoke about very politely against it.

"Then it got started on its most ambitious project, Star Trek: Axanar. It was to be a feature-length film with much bigger, but still non-profit budget derived from a kickstarter and fan donations."

derived from A Kickstarter, An Indigogo, A donor store on face book, and fan donations and they still didn't have enough money.

"Then it got started on its most ambitious project, Star Trek: Axanar."
No cast, no sets completed, no script(so they claim) So how did they get started?

"The existence of the fanfiction phenomena is widely seen as an insurance policy for the future success of official products released by the property owner."
Says who? What does that even mean?

"Could Wheaton be positioning himself for some cameo appearances in upcoming Trek films?"
Quality tabloid trash right there, throwing out a flamebait accustaion but making it a question so you don't have to actually say it Could it be you're a terrible writer? See how because it's a question I'm not saying that, I'm just asking it for discussion? If I had balls I'd just say it.



"CBS announced it will only be available for USA residents through a paid subscription of CBS All Access for $6/mo while the rest of the world will presumably be able to watch it for free. This is a blatant abuse of the core audience that kept Star Trek alive for so many years."

Very few people watch any TV for free. Most people pay cable or Satelite to watch CBS. The rest of the world will watch it for free? Tell that to people in london who pay yearly for the privledge to watch TV, and for services like satelite. You want to discuss wether CBS AllAcess is Alacarte programing or price gouging, fine do an editorial on that, don't throw it in in your final sentences as another way to bate arguements,

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

"Could Wheaton be positioning himself for some cameo appearances in upcoming Trek films?"
Quality tabloid trash right there, throwing out a flamebait accustaion but making it a question so you don't have to actually say it Could it be you're a terrible writer? See how because it's a question I'm not saying that, I'm just asking it for discussion? If I had balls I'd just say it.

Could that be classed as slander?

Very few people watch any TV for free. Most people pay cable or Satelite to watch CBS. The rest of the world will watch it for free? Tell that to people in london who pay yearly for the privledge to watch TV, and for services like satelite. You want to discuss wether CBS AllAcess is Alacarte programing or price gouging, fine do an editorial on that, don't throw it in in your final sentences as another way to bate arguements,

To be fair, I get it for free where I live

 

[Mudd]

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Why should anyone who's informed on the subject want to help you get exposure based on an idiotic piece that's self-admitted clickbait?

Aren't your techie reviews good enough to earn you attention? If not, maybe you want a different line of work altogether.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Aren't your techie reviews good enough to earn you attention? If not, maybe you want a different line of work altogether.

Like manure spreading? After all, he's spreading crap around...

 

[A Chimpanzee & 2 Trainees]

If I just take what this article says and assume no errors of fact, it's still completely wrong.

First of all, the entire reason for CBS & Paramount to exist is to make money for their shareholders, so really the financials of the movies and TV shows they produce are the most important benchmark for success. In some individuals minds, maybe even the only one. If what the article says is true and the Trek reboot is a financial success despite longtime Star Trek fans disliking it, they will gladly take it. So would I in their position. It only proves that this segment that dislikes the movie is a small, vocal minority, and you can't please everyone.

Secondly, Axanar has claimed on many occaissions to be producing a professional level fan film, and insists on paying various members of its production staff a wage, albeit from their assertions a below-market value wage. So if the head of Columbia studios declared himself a fan, would he have the right to make a Star Trek film and distribute it as long as the studio didn't see any profit from it? How would that be different from what Axanar has done, or claims to do? Wouldn't that be a great way to harm your competitor - drive down sales of their movies by producing one of your own. So what if you lose money on that one? If you succeed, you potentially make it unprofitable for them to produce multiple sequels.

Let's say for the sake of argument that this product that someone else is creating really is "better" than Paramount/CBS's Trek. Are they supposed to just allow that to happen? What's the point of even having a copyright if they are allowed to produce these works?

Fan productions are of a quality in script, acting, and production value far below that of a professional. That's what prevents them from being a threat to the copyright holder. Declare yourself a pro - position yourself to be a pro - and you prove yourself to be a potential threat. There's no line being crossed by CBS/Paramount. Axanar crossed THEIR line, and they felt the need to protect themselves.

They have every right to nail Axanar to the wall, and yes it's all about greed, because at the end of the day business is about money.

 

[dmac]

I would have gone for outright thief and liar

I know I should be more bitter just for the simple fact of putting all ST fan films at a possible risk.

 

[AudioGene]

"Axanar Productions is a non-profit, crowd-funded production company created to make films around Star Trek’s Axanar storyline."
1. It's not non profit, not classified, or registered as such and does not act as if it is. People have made a lot of money off of the Axanar donations. 2. People didn't think they were crowsd funding a production company they thought they were crowd financing a film. Alec and co coopted the funds to make the production company.

"while landing some Star Trek veteran actors to play lead roles such as J.G. Hertzler, Gary Graham, Tony Todd to name a few."

Tony Todd left the production and spoke about very politely against it.

"Then it got started on its most ambitious project, Star Trek: Axanar. It was to be a feature-length film with much bigger, but still non-profit budget derived from a kickstarter and fan donations."

derived from A Kickstarter, An Indigogo, A donor store on face book, and fan donations and they still didn't have enough money.

"Then it got started on its most ambitious project, Star Trek: Axanar."
No cast, no sets completed, no script(so they claim) So how did they get started?

"The existence of the fanfiction phenomena is widely seen as an insurance policy for the future success of official products released by the property owner."
Says who? What does that even mean?

"Could Wheaton be positioning himself for some cameo appearances in upcoming Trek films?"
Quality tabloid trash right there, throwing out a flamebait accustaion but making it a question so you don't have to actually say it Could it be you're a terrible writer? See how because it's a question I'm not saying that, I'm just asking it for discussion? If I had balls I'd just say it.



"CBS announced it will only be available for USA residents through a paid subscription of CBS All Access for $6/mo while the rest of the world will presumably be able to watch it for free. This is a blatant abuse of the core audience that kept Star Trek alive for so many years."

Very few people watch any TV for free. Most people pay cable or Satelite to watch CBS. The rest of the world will watch it for free? Tell that to people in london who pay yearly for the privledge to watch TV, and for services like satelite. You want to discuss wether CBS AllAcess is Alacarte programing or price gouging, fine do an editorial on that, don't throw it in in your final sentences as another way to bate arguements,

OK I updated the "non-profit" section as Alec Peters did originally state he was filling as a 501C.

It started when CBS/Paramount, owners of the movie and TV franchises, collectively filed suit against Axanar Productions, alleging the *non-profit infringed on their Star Trek copyright. They requested statutory damages of $150K.

*Note: Axanar Productions is NOT yet classified as non-profit, though Alec Peters previously claimed they were working on getting categorized as a 501(C).​

As for free TV, it was meant as NOT paying additional fees on top of cable/satellite. You're really picking nits here but I am willing to tweak what is reasonable.

 

[AudioGene]

Update: Just as quickly as fans were happy to hear this news, CBS announced it will only be available for USA residents through a paid subscription of CBS All Access for $6/mo while the rest of the world will presumably be able to watch it with their regular cable/satellite subscription services.

 

[fireproof78]

Question-why leave in the non-profit qualifier? Axanar Produtions is not non-profit and was never non-profit as an organization when crowd funding was occurring. To me, that's misleading.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

OK I updated the "non-profit" section as Alec Peters did originally state he was filling as a 501C.

It started when CBS/Paramount, owners of the movie and TV franchises, collectively filed suit against Axanar Productions, alleging the *non-profit infringed on their Star Trek copyright. They requested statutory damages of $150K.

*Note: Axanar Productions is NOT yet classified as non-profit, though Alec Peters previously claimed they were working on getting categorized as a 501(C).​

As for free TV, it was meant as NOT paying additional fees on top of cable/satellite. You're really picking nits here but I am willing to tweak what is reasonable.

Thats funny - still says the same thing as the original posting

 

[AudioGene]

Thats funny - still says the same thing as the original posting

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