The USS Bozeman in Trek Lit.

[Tracy Trek]

Now I know that there was a novel that had something to do with Capt. Bateson and his ship. Ship of the Line, correct? Was there ever any mention of the Bozeman's disappearance in any of the original Trek novels that were published after the TNG episode Cause and Effect aired? I was watching that episode today on BBC America and I wondered about that.

 

[Idran]

Of its disappearance? No, I believe "Ship of the Line" was the only one that covered that. (Though it did so in a way that actually managed to conflict with what little we actually had established in the episode regarding where it disappeared and what it was doing there.) But post-disappearance was covered pretty well in "Watching the Clock".

 

[Stevil2001]

Now I know that there was a novel that had something to do with Capt. Bateson and his ship. Ship of the Line, correct? Was there ever any mention of the Bozeman's disappearance in any of the original Trek novels that were published after the TNG episode Cause and Effect aired? I was watching that episode today on BBC America and I wondered about that.

The Captain's Table Pike novel Where Sea Meets Sky has Pike mentioning in 2266 that his old yeoman Colt is being assigned to the Bozeman, and some of the other bar patrons (from further in the future) reacting to it.

In The Captain's Daughter, Captain Bateson offers Sulu a position on the Bozeman a few weeks before its disappearance, but I can't remember if it's explicitly mentioned.

Bateson appears in the future in Spectre, where he meets Kirk.

 

[Tracy Trek]

I just wondered if there was a line in one of the novels (movie era original series) where someone said something about Capt. Bateson and his ship and crew vanishing? You said, it was covered in Watching the Clock?

Also, according to the novelization of the movie Generations, was the Bozeman supposed to be one of the 3 ships (along with the Farragut and one other) that ferried the Enterprise crew away from the Veridian system after the crash? The smallest of those 3 ships looked like the Bozeman to me.

Edit: I went and brought up the end scene of the movie on Youtube. The ship that looks like the Bozeman is actually the medium sized one. I assume the largest ship was the Farragut.

 

[Idran]

Oh, I missed that you said original Trek novels; sorry. No, I meant after the Bozeman reappeared when I mentioned "Watching the Clock", in the 24th century, which isn't relevant to what you were asking about.

 

[Dukhat]

I just wondered if there was a line in one of the novels (movie era original series) where someone said something about Capt. Bateson and his ship and crew vanishing? You said, it was covered in Watching the Clock?

Also, according to the novelization of the movie Generations, was the Bozeman supposed to be one of the 3 ships (along with the Farragut and one other) that ferried the Enterprise crew away from the Veridian system after the crash? The smallest of those 3 ships looked like the Bozeman to me.

Edit: I went and brought up the end scene of the movie on Youtube. The ship that looks like the Bozeman is actually the medium sized one. I assume the largest ship was the Farragut.

None of those ships are the Bozeman; the novelist was wrong. The Nebula class ship was the Farragut, the Miranda class ship was the Saratoga, and the Oberth class ship was the Pegasus.

 

[Tracy Trek]

Well I could have remembered it wrong about the novelization of Generations.

 

[Christopher]

According to Memory Alpha, neither the Miranda-class ship nor the Oberth-class ship was named in the film. If they had Saratoga and Pegasus markings on them, that's probably just because those were the last ships the miniatures had been used to represent and they didn't bother repainting them for a shot where their names wouldn't be visible anyway. I mean, both those ships were destroyed in the episodes that featured them, so neither would've been around in 2371.

 

[Dukhat]

^Yes, that's absolutely the case. I was just being literal with the ship names. However, my point was that neither of the ships was the Bozeman.

 

[Christopher]

^Yes, that's absolutely the case. I was just being literal with the ship names. However, my point was that neither of the ships was the Bozeman.

But since they weren't actually named in the movie, we can't rule out the possibility that the Miranda-class ship was the Bozeman in-universe (although wasn't that actually a Soyuz-class variant instead?).

 

[Dukhat]

Yes, the Soyuz class Bozeman had several modifications to the original Reliant model to make it into a separate and distinct class of its own. Those modifications were removed when the model was filmed as Sisko's Saratoga in the pilot episode of DS9, and by the time the model was used in Generations it was turned back into the original Reliant configuration (although with the Saratoga's name and registry number still printed on the model.)

 

[Avro Arrow]

Well then, since this is the Lit forum, the Miranda at the end of Generations must have been the USS Saratoga, NCC-31911-A!

 

[Dukhat]

^While I get your joke, I doubt Starfleet would have built a brand-new Miranda class ship.

 

[Timo]

Well, the Friedman novel doesn't explicitly exclude the possibility that NCC-31911-A was just the already existing USS Yorktown refurbished and renamed.

As regards ST:GEN, there is a mention of the Bozeman having to make a course correction because Soran shook the universe. Would this 2371 ship be Bateson's old tub, which is still in existence (although not in regular service) a year later in Watching the Clock, or perhaps the modern Bozeman that Starfleet had no doubt built sometime in the 2350s while considering Bateson's ship lost? I mean, it seems Bozeman for our Starfleet heroes is at least as important a location as Saratoga, Midway or Kitty Hawk to today's military men and aviators, and thus no doubt frequently honored in ship naming.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Dukhat]

Well, the Friedman novel doesn't explicitly exclude the possibility that NCC-31911-A was just the already existing USS Yorktown refurbished and renamed.

I haven't read the novel in years, but I seem to recall Freidman making the new Saratoga at the end of the book also a Miranda newbuild. Freidman wasn't the best font of ship info though; in one of his books he mentions that the Constellation class was newer than the New Orleans class

As regards ST:GEN, there is a mention of the Bozeman having to make a course correction because Soran shook the universe. Would this 2371 ship be Bateson's old tub, which is still in existence (although not in regular service) a year later in Watching the Clock, or perhaps the modern Bozeman that Starfleet had no doubt built sometime in the 2350s while considering Bateson's ship lost? I mean, it seems Bozeman for our Starfleet heroes is at least as important a location as Saratoga, Midway or Kitty Hawk to today's military men and aviators, and thus no doubt frequently honored in ship naming.

Knowing Braga (whose hometown the Bozeman was named after), he probably intended it to be the same ship.

 

[DS9forever]

Indeed. And it was the Saratoga-A

 

[Avro Arrow]

^While I get your joke, I doubt Starfleet would have built a brand-new Miranda class ship.

Oh, actually I would tend to agree. (Sorry, Saratoga.) But then I also tend to doubt that Starfleet would build a brand new Ambassador class ship in the late 2360s/early 2370s, either. (Sorry, Antimatter.)

Well, the Friedman novel doesn't explicitly exclude the possibility that NCC-31911-A was just the already existing USS Yorktown refurbished and renamed.

 

[Saul]

It's been so long ago since I read it but I think the First Contact Novel mentioned the Bozeman during the Borg battle. I know the movie does.
I might be confusing this with Ships of the Line too but in the Shatner Novels didn't Captain Bateson meet up with Scotty and Kirk?

 

[Csalem]

It's been so long ago since I read it but I think the First Contact Novel mentioned the Bozeman during the Borg battle. I know the movie does.
I might be confusing this with Ships of the Line too but in the Shatner Novels didn't Captain Bateson meet up with Scotty and Kirk?

Yes, one of the Shatnerverse novels had them meeting at a gathering for people displaced in time.

 

[Leto_II]

^ Spectre, I think it was (in Montreal, wasn't it?). Been a while since I've read that one.